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Post by SPEEDFr3ak on Mar 2, 2010 14:12:11 GMT
He had to use the Bonuscars in carreer mod then.If he had done this ,he'd have gotten a speedbug ,cause he was connected to ea ,like he is while playing usually online. I've always read here that cipriani experienced that bug during the carrer with mc 12 first Philipp
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Post by rcgldr on Mar 2, 2010 17:28:24 GMT
Note that Cipriani's 5:55 time at Nordschleife in the Maserati due to a grip bug occurred during career mode. No, and now that I think about it, it wasn't career mode, since it was the Maserati. I don't know it if was a quick race or online. I just recall that this happened about the same time as a really fast time in the career mode leaderboards, but it was probably another player on the career leaderboard.
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Post by SPEEDFr3ak on Mar 2, 2010 18:27:08 GMT
Doesnt the screenshot with Cirpriani and 5:55 on MC12 exist in this board?
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Post by rcgldr on Mar 3, 2010 0:10:22 GMT
I don't know why I thought Cipriani's time was done in career mode. It was either quick race or an online race as it ended up on the leaderboards: I do remember Cipriani stated that the car was taking turns about 10kph faster than normal, so it was more of a grip bug than a speed bug. zx12rcr reported that his normal time at Willow Springs is high 1:06, but about one in every 30 to 40 laps was a high 1:05, no apparent difference in feel or racing line, just slightly higher cornering speeds, only noticable if you compare videos, or knew exactly what your normal maximum cornering speeds are. This happened in offline time attack mode.
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Mar 3, 2010 2:36:38 GMT
If you have him post a high 1.05 while having wrclient installed I will believe he did not use cheats. You are posting videos all over of this guy without knowing if he is the real deal or not. Or if the guy can be vouched for by someone like Rogerio I will believe it.
Poul
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Post by rcgldr on Mar 3, 2010 4:19:35 GMT
If you have him post a high 1.05 while having wrclient installed I will believe he did not use cheats. You are posting videos all over of this guy without knowing if he is the real deal or not. True, without wrclient, there's no way to know for sure, although I'm sure that Cipriani can be trusted and he has experienced a similar grip bug. Also zx12rcr's run was done in time attack, and didn't you end up running about 1/2 second faster at Willow Springs using time attack, ending up with a 1:06.1xx, which is still faster than Cipriani's world record time of 1:06.309? I'd be curious to see what Cipriani could do at Willow Springs in time attack mode. Even if you ignore players like Anak and zx12rcr, who have made some very fast videos, there are wrecord players like Cipriani, PROxKruiZ, and rtxus. I've seen Cipriani and rtxus online, and they are so much faster with any car, at any track, that it leads me back to the issue that the gameplay in NFS Shift being affected by the players system, but this issue belongs in the fairness in Shift thread. As an example of the gameplay being affected by a players system, look at this video of Nordschleife made by PROxKruiZ, who does use wrclient. There's virtually no bouncing of the car, it's almost like a different game being played: www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKzEv1MFpFo&fmt=22
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Mar 3, 2010 4:40:04 GMT
Norman´s world record of 1.06.309 is not much faster than what I did - 1.06.398 when we did that PBRC. I was able to do 1.06.110 in time attack mode - that is not much of an improvement. But I would have thought that a guy like that zx12rcr guy would have been more active playing Shift, seeing he has done some videos of lap times that are faster than anyone else in the world have been able to - go figure Edited: I never heard of an offline grip or speedbug - only online - and that has not happend to me since the patch I think - so what this guy is telling you Jeff might not be the full story Poul
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Post by TomasT (PC) on Mar 3, 2010 4:40:33 GMT
As an example of the gameplay being affected by a players system, look at this video of Nordschleife made by PROxKruiZ, who does use wrclient. There's virtually no bouncing of the car, it's almost like a different game being played: www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKzEv1MFpFo&fmt=22That video of a wrecord-member is what throws everything off I think. Either wrecord is hacked, or the game plays very differently on different pc's. It's just those two options. Also I would like to make the point, that I have a hard time believing that anyone would take the time it takes to practice and get so good at this game that you could make believable videos like zx12rcr, then mod it and keep playing it. That just would take all the joy out for me, and I'm guessing for most other people. Theres just no reward knowing yourself that you are a faker. But then people are different and RedArrow have played NFS quite a long time. When I talked to RedArrow about how he has done this, he says that he has modded certain files, after unpacking the game, then saved the originals. So he can switch files to original and cheat back and forth as he wishes, although he has to restart the game to do it. Is it possible to run wrecord-client with an unpacked game? Can you repack the game after modding it? If so it doesnt seem hard for cheaters to cheat and then pass on wrecord the second after, although I have a hard time seeing people get any good with that attitude to the game.
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Post by TheGreenMonster (PC) on Mar 3, 2010 5:12:46 GMT
I hate asking dumb questions, I just installed this software, and I don't see an icon for it, I on got online and did a quick race on Dakota Tri-oval and did a 30.010 and it doesn't show up....
So what am I doing wrong here?
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Post by TomasT (PC) on Mar 3, 2010 7:26:35 GMT
Sunny, you dont need to install anything, not in that sense anyway. You just unpack the files into a wrecord folder at a location of your choice. The exe named gtr2 at the end is a extra one for people having probs with the standard exe, try the first one and if it works good for you, make a shortcut if you want and place on your desktop or wherever you like. You need to sign up at wrecord.com, then use that login name and password in wrecord client.
Be sure to start the client before starting shift. The client will tell you in a dialog box if you are set to go, or if you need to turn off nos or anything else. Remember you can only do drift or quick race, no time attacks or online races.
Your telemetry will upload to the client along with your lap times, you will understand when you see it I think. You can choose within the client to use autosend or mark the times you want to upload, and then just press upload marked results or something like that.
Tell us how it goes =)
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Post by rcgldr on Mar 3, 2010 9:02:43 GMT
Norman´s world record of 1.06.309 is not much faster than what I did - 1.06.398 when we did that PBRC. I was able to do 1.06.110 in time attack mode - that is not much of an improvement. Considering the time you probably spent to get that 1:06.398 versus the time you spent getting 1:06.110 with time attack, and based on my own experience, it seems that lap times are a bit better in time attack, and my guess is that it's related to tire temperatures, since some racing games keep tire temperatures perfect when in time attack mode. His videos were done in time attack mode, and only his Willow Spring time is faster than wrecord time. Anak's videos (using the names ardathrokok and MrKingRawana) are as fast or faster than zx12rcr's videos (plus less bouncing than other players), but I don't recall ever seeing him online. We can't know about these players that don't do wrecord.com so ignore them for now. PROxKruiZ is a wrecord player, and as I just mentioned in my last post, it looks like he's playing a different game because it's so smooth with virtually no car bouncing at all.
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Mar 3, 2010 9:23:58 GMT
Hi!
Tomas, modding files would not pass with WRClient... That is why none of those guys are in WR Page... The Client has checksums to all major game files and checks them.
About Nordschleife Video made by PROxKruiZ, you are forgetting some really important stuff... First of all, his max Speed is 30 km/h less then what I have, which means he is using lots of downforce, which would make bouncing a lot less felt, since Top Speed on all points would be less and drag forces would be a lot higher keeping the car grounded. Second of all, you forget that the Replay System in NFS removes most of the feeling of the game... When I saw my Replays in Nord or Road America, I though "wtf, where is the constant bouncing and driving corrections I had to do?".
Cya!
Rogério
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Post by rcgldr on Mar 3, 2010 10:16:26 GMT
make believable videos like zx12rcr I asked him to make those videos, to see if they were similar to unusually fast videos made by proxkruiz and anak. If he had something to hide, I don't think he would have made those videos, since he knew I was specifically looking for anything unusual. Anyway, I focused too much on zx12rcr, since he doesn't do wrecord.com, it doesn't really prove anything. Proxkruiz is a much better example of what I think is going on, since his video looks so much different than other player's videos and since he is on wrecord.com. Hacking wrecord could be possible, but I am not aware of any hack that causes the cars to be smooth like proxkruiz's video. The .bff files used by NFS Shift are like zip files. You extract all the files from the .bff, modify one or more those extracted files, then repack the files to create a new modified .bff file. That is how I created my own no head shake and no blur mods (you need to remove the "1" at the end of the names after backing up the original files): rcgldr.net/nfss/nfssmods.zipSimlar mods already exist, but I made my own to make sure that the changes didn't involve anything related to performance in the game. Cheating for online play is easy: Increasing grip level is a single line change in one of the .bff files. Increasing power requires changing a table in the .bff file for each car and would be time consuming. My guess is that few players have done this, and the ones that did weren't trying to hide it, making it obvious that they were cheating. I doubt that many players would bother to figure out this stuff themselves, and most cheaters download mods made by others, or they use trainers. wrclient checks the game directory, and will complain if there are any extra files. It also does some type of file check (checksum or crc), on all files or at least on all important files. Rather than trying to modify files that get past the checks in wrclient, which would require reverse engineering wrclient, if a person is going to reverse engineer wrclient, it would be much simpler to create a trainer or to make a modified version of wrclient that defeats all the checks done by wrclient. Consdering trainers are made for games that are much larger and more complicated than wrclient, it would be relatively easy compared to the trainers made for games. Bottom line, it would be possible to defeat wrclient, but I don't see the motivation for spending the time to do this.
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Post by rcgldr on Mar 3, 2010 10:32:08 GMT
About Nordschleife Video made by PROxKruiZ, you are forgetting some really important stuff ... downforce .... Most of the videos on youtube are made from replays and none of them look as smooth as proxkruiz's. However these aren't videos made from replays using hood cam. It turns out that replay in hood cam is smoother. I'm making a video to compare to see how much difference there is. It's probably a small difference similar to the difference in bouncing that I see between various videos at youtube. Downforce has little or no effect on bouncing, at least on my system (other than top speed is less). Traction control does reduce bouncing, but not to the extent seen in proxkruiz's video. The bouncing related to suspension compression, such as dips, or the banked ovals, should be made worse by downforce, but this effect seems minimal in NFS Shift.
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Post by rcgldr on Mar 4, 2010 5:11:56 GMT
I made a video of a hood cam replay to compare with proxkuiz video. Hood cam replays are smoother. It's been a month since I ran at Nordschleife, but I did a few runs to get the time down to 6:07.150: my video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlUhafq0LW8&fmt=22proxkruiz: www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKzEv1MFpFo&fmt=22One signifcant difference is about 1:18 into my video, the valley before Adneauer Forst. If I don't lift off the throttle and brake on that section of track, my car will go bouncing off into the wall. It's a short section so I can go back to full throttle once past the problem section as seen in my video. I haven't found any setup changes that eliminate this problem with the Zonda R or works Z06 (don't recall if works LP640 has the same problem) on my system. However, ProxKruiz, Anak, and a few other players are able to take that section flat out without the bouncing issue. The bouncy spot at 12 seconds into the video can put a car into the wall, and the jumps and drops on the track will put a car off track if it bounces more than once. So there does seem to be a difference in the amount of bouncing. I did notice that proxkruiz has the graphic settings turns down, as some track object don't appear until his car gets close. proxkruiz may have traction control set to high, which helps reduce the bouncing, but even with traction control set to high on my system, the problem spots can still bounce the car off track. I suspect that graphic settings are having some effect on game play, beyond the obvious stuttering if they are set too high. Given that, the reduced graphic overhead with the no headshake mod I made, may have an indirect effect on lap times, but it's small, about 2 seconds at Nordschliefe, based on the runs I did to make the video (I was going to compare head shake with no head shake, but there's no visible difference, and I'm not sure if the 2 seconds was me or the game play). zx12rcr mentions a similar 2 to 3 second or so difference between using fraps during a run instead of during the replay after, in the two videos he made of Nordschleife, which differ by 2.7 seconds. Perhaps some other players here could compare runs made with and without fraps, and/or with max or minimum graphic settings, although those with really fast systems are probably not going to be affected. Also the difference is small, so you'd need to run at Nordschleife, or multiple laps at some other track.
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