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Post by cipriani on Oct 4, 2009 18:49:51 GMT
Hey guys!! so today got a speedbug or something different for third times! Could happen with every car but not sure why thats happen! With maserati i did 5.55min on Nordschleife, i never drift in corners and had most corner +10kmh speed, only the wheel feels crazy, normally i can do only 6.12 with it! Maybe someone of u had the same bug sometimes?
greetz Norman
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Oct 4, 2009 18:52:33 GMT
You are quite right Jeff. Still I bet you wonder how its possible to do a time like that.
Poul
Edited:
OMG Norman are we experiencing the same bug like in Pro Street?
Still I have no idea on how to do 6.12 with the Maserati. Is it possible that some people have better grip?
Poul
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Post by cipriani on Oct 4, 2009 19:02:05 GMT
could be same bug, but not sure about it! i know some guys which can do same with maserati! Try Road America with default lambo, after that u know if u dont have the same grip! Today i meet somebody online, he was in every corner in the grass but still accelerate faster! couldnt get him! strange game
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Oct 4, 2009 19:05:33 GMT
Well when I look at that video Jeff posted in the youtube video thread of that 6.10 done by Caltoonen (not sure that name was spelled correctly) - I can see that my car is sliding much more than his and he stats that he is using no assists.
Poul
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Post by Jussi on Oct 5, 2009 2:20:47 GMT
Welcome to our community, Norman! Be sure to check our Picture Based Racing Competitions HERE!People who enter these competitions gain access to our special section called the Inner Circle. Jussi
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Post by jeffareid on Oct 5, 2009 8:17:27 GMT
got a speedbug or something different for third times! With maserati i did 5.55min on Nordschleife On the leaderboard, I also see Cipriani has a 2:12.4 at Nordschleife (Nurburg) with the Nissan R35, faster than most can do with the Zonda R.
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Post by Khekz(PC) on Oct 5, 2009 10:47:37 GMT
i see cipriani doing 6.12.4 woth the R35??
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Post by cipriani on Oct 5, 2009 15:23:06 GMT
thx Jussi
Jeff thats not a problem to do it on Nurburg, i tryed it with R35 and zonda today, the zonda is faster sure, i driven 10sec faster then with the R35!
Khekz not on long trk, the little trk of nordschleife( nurburg) the third trk in Quick race of it! never tryed it on long trk!
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Post by jeffareid on Oct 5, 2009 21:33:04 GMT
Jeff thats not a problem to do it on Nurburg, i tryed it with R35 and zonda today, the zonda is faster sure, i driven 10sec faster then with the R35! On my system, the R35 scrapes the bottom once it's gets over 100 mph == 160 kph. It's mostly an annoyance, I don't know how much it affects peformance. I ran laps at Dakota Tri-Oval for the loyalty badges (100 miles per car for 9 cars), and noticed it was bad there. Well when I look at that video Jeff posted in the youtube video thread of that 6.10 done by Caltoonen (not sure that name was spelled correctly) - I can see that my car is sliding much more than his and he stats that he is using no assists. The assists don't seem to help speed, in fact they may slow things down a bit. Cars stop faster with ABS off. Cars take off slowest if traction control is set to high. I don't know how much effect stability control has, other than it helps on bumpy tracks, at least if you don't have force feedback. "Normal" and "Experience" modes get more grip than "pro" mode, grip factor of 1.3 versus 1.2, and "normal" mode gets a lower center of gravity (more stability). Since ProStreet has the fast bug, the slow bug, and the normal speed, perhaps Shift also has 3 levels of performance due to bugs.
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Oct 5, 2009 22:14:57 GMT
Hi!
I tried today the Zonda R in that track... I still dont know it very well and my Zonda R with Default setup is bouncing a lot... There is several parts of the track I have to lift way before what would be needed... Still did 6m 22s from standing start in my 1st successful finih in Quick Race...
I dont know if I am going to dedicate to this track already...
Cya!
Rogério
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Post by jeffareid on Oct 5, 2009 23:02:43 GMT
Try this for Zonda R setup. The damper settings should help with the bouncing. The rear toe should help keep the rear end in check for the bounces that still happen (rear toe in is used in all other sim-oriented racing games).
damper fast bump: all the way left damper fast rebound: all the way right (ends up 1 click left) rear toe: -0.30 gears: 1st, 2nd, 3rd: 1 click right, 4th: middle, 5th, 6th: 1 click left. downforce: zero
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Oct 6, 2009 3:33:34 GMT
Jeff
Thank you for that info - I will try those settings.
I think that guy Calhoonen used stability on and just tells everybody he did not use it. I can see that when I use that I am faster than without.
The problem with this track is - that it would have helped a lot if you knew it and had raced it before. With such a powerful car on such jumpy roads there is a lot of mistakes that effects finish time. I have no doubt that the first part I can race to what is possibly to do. It is all those small turns later on where I make the mistakes because it looks to be an open road and you give it max speed, but then brake too late and I have not yet not been out in the grass when racing this one.
Still I think Calhoonen uses assists. If you look at the video Jeff not once do you see any sliding which is just d**n perfect on a 6 min video with all those turns.
edited: Jeff that R35 you speak of is the fastest 14.0 rated car I have and it will do 270 km/h without problems. It is the car I always use online and I have not been beaten using it in 14.0 rated races for a very long time.
I have not even tried yet to fully upgrade it but i know it will be very fast. It needs some tuning in handling but once that is done it will take corners at almost full speed.
Poul
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Post by jeffareid on Oct 6, 2009 5:38:45 GMT
I think that guy Calhoonen used stability on and just tells everybody he did not use it. I can see that when I use that I am faster than without. Could be a game issue where the bumps don't affect cars as much depending on the PC, the OS, or the controller. Try stability on or off at Willow Springs (which is about the same as the one in ProStreet). I don't recall it helping much there, but it does help at Nordschleife. I learned Nordschleife back in 2002 with Grand Prix Legends, and have raced various versions of it in several games since. The current one is similar to the one in GTR Evolution. Have you tried a works Camaro SS, which is a 14.0 car?
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Oct 6, 2009 12:29:29 GMT
Hi Jeff!
I tried your setup in a couple of tries, but its almost undrivable for me... :x Dont know if its because you use Stability and TC, but the car is definately not comfortable for me... I am going to do a few experiments later with Default Setup and a few Assists to see what happens.
I also saw the video with 6m 10s. To be honest, this guy must have a really interesting setup... I say this because he turns very sharply (is there where he gains the time), but still has a lot of top speed... So basically he is turning like he had high downforce, but has the top speed of low downforce... Maybe there is a way to achieve this without any assists, dont know... He also has several mistakes, or at least is what it seems...
Anyway, I will pay some attention to this track today and will let you know.
Cya!
Rogério
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Oct 7, 2009 12:11:55 GMT
Hi all! Yesterday after dinner I tried the Zonda R and Assists on Nurburgring to see what would happen. Anyway, I barely knew the track and so along the way I started to know it... So to make the results more thruthfull, I sometimes would return to previous settings to see if what I was gaining was due to Track Time or if I was really being helped by the assist. I always used the Zonda R Default Setup... I advise everyone to make sure you have Default Setup on Car before starting to test, by forcing the Default Setup on Garage... I say this because sometimes it seems the setups get mixed when you buy several cars over and over on the same slot, and what you think is default, its not. So this was the order: All Assists Off - 6m 20.8s Stability On & The Rest Off - 6m 24s Steering Assist Low & The Rest Off - Horrible, but some people use it! :S ABS On & The Rest Off - 6m 18.5s ABS On & TC Low & The Rest Off - 6m 15s (Pretty Stable Driving and still Fast!) ABS On & Auto Clutch On & The Rest Off - Didnt Like it... ABS On & Auto Clutch On & Gearbox Auto & The Rest Off - Horrible! :x ABS On & Auto Clutch Off & Gearbox Auto & The Rest Off - Little Better, but Still Horrible! ABS On & The Rest Off - 6m 13s (I felt only ABS On was best, so went back there) All Assists Off - I decided to get back there and see, but although I would get to middle track faster, I was unable to finish a Lap... LOL! All in all, was a good test. The Zonda R is a nightmare to drive because of the constant bouncing and because it looses the front very easaly while turning-in. I believe that ABS On, at least with Default Setup, is the probably best option, because the difference to All Off will probably be just 1s and is much more stable to drive. I think the reason why ABS works in this Track, and will in other like it, has to do with the fact that there arent that many Hard Breakings from High Speed... Maybe 2 or 3 times... The other 70 corners will be done Full Speed or you will brake from Medium Speed, where the increase in braking distance due to ABS is not so felt. Anyway, I will try to see if I can finish a Lap without Assists... And will probably do some times the last part of the Ring, to see if I learn it better. Cya! Rogério
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