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Post by Grnkjr0 on Nov 17, 2009 15:18:25 GMT
Sry Jussi - I usually do it the correct way.
Poul
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Post by Jussi on Nov 17, 2009 15:45:56 GMT
Sry Jussi - I usually do it the correct way. No problem! You probably were just a bit too exited about that time you made. Jussi
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Post by bobbyvey on Nov 17, 2009 16:01:20 GMT
Jussi, just a little suggestion about the point scoring system u got there. It seems a very small part of all participators gets anything over 1 point. Maybe u could impose at least 5 points system, or even 8 or 10 points system, like in F1. What do ya say? That would be more interesting for sure....
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Nov 17, 2009 17:29:32 GMT
Hi Jussi!
I agree... With the number of people participating, have our present score system doesnt really work...
Rogério
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Nov 17, 2009 17:54:35 GMT
Yes I agree too. It would also make it much more interesting at the end.
Poul
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Post by Jussi on Nov 17, 2009 19:55:35 GMT
Have you guys seen what happens at the end? The smaller the points, less difference one race makes... Let's look at last month's results, shall we? ISRC Style Leaderboard: DRIVER | 4.00 | 6.00 | 10.00 | 14.00 | Tier 1| TOTAL ----------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+------- Cipriani | 0 pt + 3 pt + 3 pt + 4 pt + 4 pt = 14 pt VGSpeedPro | 3 pt + 1 pt + 4 pt + 3 pt + 3 pt = 14 pt Grnkjr0 | 1 pt + 4 pt + 2 pt + 2 pt + 2 pt = 11 pt aarog5606 | 2 pt + 2 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt = 7 pt TCRluca | 4 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 6 pt Spiko | 1 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt = 5 pt TimTaylor | 1 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt = 5 pt Bandit | 1 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt = 5 pt jsskppnn | 1 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt = 5 pt paul | 0 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt = 4 pt jiipper | 0 pt + 1 pt + 0 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt = 3 pt paulalana | 0 pt + 0 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt = 3 pt RicardoElfrinko | 1 pt + 1 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 2 pt raptor1201 | 1 pt + 1 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 2 pt vgjono | 1 pt + 1 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 2 pt BobbyVey | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt = 2 pt Paragleiber | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt = 2 pt TheGreenMonster | 0 pt + 1 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 1 pt jguff | 0 pt + 1 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 1 pt Corairs | 0 pt + 0 pt + 1 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 1 pt Khekz | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 1 pt + 0 pt = 1 pt TheRookie1970 | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 1 pt + 0 pt = 1 pt aNtsa | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 1 pt + 0 pt = 1 pt ...that translates to this... Professional Leaderboard: DRIVER | 4.00 | 6.00 | 10.00 | 14.00 | Tier 1| TOTAL ----------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+------- Cipriani | 0 pt + 3 pt + 3 pt + 4 pt + 4 pt = 14 pt VGSpeedPro | 3 pt + 1 pt + 4 pt + 3 pt + 3 pt = 14 pt Grnkjr0 | 1 pt + 4 pt + 2 pt + 2 pt + 2 pt = 11 pt aarog5606 | 2 pt + 2 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt = 7 pt TCRluca | 4 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 6 pt Semi-Pro Leaderboard: DRIVER | 4.00 | 6.00 | 10.00 | 14.00 | Tier 1| TOTAL ----------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+------- Spiko | 4 pt + 1 pt + 3 pt + 3 pt + 2 pt = 13 pt paul | 0 pt + 3 pt + 4 pt + 2 pt + 3 pt = 12 pt TimTaylor | 3 pt + 2 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt = 8 pt Bandit | 2 pt + 1 pt + 2 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt = 7 pt BobbyVey | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 1 pt + 4 pt = 5 pt TheGreenMonster | 0 pt + 4 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 4 pt Khekz | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 4 pt + 0 pt = 4 pt Clubman Leaderboard: DRIVER | 4.00 | 6.00 | 10.00 | 14.00 | Tier 1| TOTAL ----------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+------- jsskppnn | 4 pt + 4 pt + 3 pt + 2 pt + 1 pt = 14 pt paulalana | 0 pt + 0 pt + 4 pt + 3 pt + 3 pt = 10 pt Paragleiber | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 4 pt + 4 pt = 8 pt RicardoElfrinko | 3 pt + 3 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 6 pt raptor1201 | 2 pt + 2 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 4 pt jiipper | 0 pt + 1 pt + 0 pt + 1 pt + 2 pt = 4 pt Corairs | 0 pt + 0 pt + 2 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 2 pt Rookie Leaderboard: DRIVER | 4.00 | 6.00 | 10.00 | 14.00 | Tier 1| TOTAL ----------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+------- vgjono | 4 pt + 4 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 8 pt TheRookie1970 | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 4 pt + 0 pt = 4 pt jguff | 0 pt + 3 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 3 pt aNtsa | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 3 pt + 0 pt = 3 pt ...but here's what would've happened with normal points... FIA Style Leaderboard: DRIVER | 4.00 | 6.00 | 10.00 | 14.00 | Tier 1| TOTAL ----------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+------- VGSpeedPro | 8 pt + 5 pt + 10 pt + 8 pt + 8 pt = 39 pt Grnkjr0 | 5 pt + 10 pt + 6 pt + 6 pt + 6 pt = 33 pt Cipriani | 0 pt + 8 pt + 8 pt + 10 pt + 10 pt = 32 pt aarog5606 | 6 pt + 6 pt + 4 pt + 4 pt + 5 pt = 25 pt TCRluca | 10 pt + 4 pt + 5 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 19 pt Spiko | 4 pt + 0 pt + 2 pt + 3 pt + 2 pt = 11 pt paul | 0 pt + 2 pt + 3 pt + 2 pt + 3 pt = 10 pt Khekz | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 5 pt + 0 pt = 5 pt BobbyVey | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 1 pt + 4 pt = 5 pt TimTaylor | 3 pt + 1 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 4 pt TheGreenMonster | 0 pt + 3 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 3 pt Bandit | 2 pt + 0 pt + 1 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 3 pt jsskppnn | 1 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 1 pt Paragleiber | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 1 pt = 1 pt jiipper | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 0 pt paulalana | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 0 pt RicardoElfrinko | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 0 pt raptor1201 | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 0 pt vgjono | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 0 pt jguff | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 0 pt Corairs | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 0 pt TheRookie1970 | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 0 pt aNtsa | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 0 pt I do like our new system better, because it rewards everyone for entering and for every place they can improve and it does not punish so much for skipping a single event. Think where the excitement would be after a single person would have taken home 2 or 3 first place finishes at the beginning of the month. And do you think we could get new racers interested mid month, if someone already had 30 points? Jussi PS. Now let's hear some opinions for our interesting ISRC Style points system!
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Post by Jussi on Nov 17, 2009 20:16:10 GMT
Here's a simple comparison of who would've gained and who would've lost, if we used FIA points... 1. Cipriani -> 1. VGSpeedPro 2. VGSpeedPro -> 2. Grnkjr0 3. Grnkjr0 -> 3. Cipriani 4. aarog5606 -> 4. aarog5606 5. TCRluca -> 5. TCRluca 6. Spiko -> 6. Spiko 7. paul -> 7. paul 8. TimTaylor -> 8. Khekz 9. Bandit -> 9. BobbyVey 10. BobbyVey -> 10. TimTaylor 11. TheGreenMonster -> 11. TheGreenMonster 12. Khekz -> 12. Bandit 13. jsskppnn -> 13. jsskppnn 14. paulalana -> 14. Paragleiber 15. Paragleiber -> XX. paulalana 16. RicardoElfrinko -> XX. RicardoElfrinko 17. raptor1201 -> XX. raptor1201 18. jiipper -> XX. jiipper 19. Corairs -> XX. Corairs 20. vgjono -> XX. vgjono 21. TheRookie1970 -> XX. TheRookie1970 22. jguff -> XX. jguff 23. aNtsa -> XX. aNtsa Jussi
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Post by bobbyvey on Nov 17, 2009 20:42:18 GMT
Well u certainly didn't convince me I would be one step up anyway... j/k whatever u say mate, ur the boss afterall that was only a suggestion. tbh I still don't quite understand ur new system for the final month classification but don't be bothered trying to explain it again, it's all ok with me. cheers
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Nov 17, 2009 21:24:38 GMT
Hi Jussi!
I understand your point, but you are forgetting 2 things...
a) What is the difference between being 4th and 15th in terms of points?
b) A guy does 4 Races and is always 4th... He has 4 points. And here comes another guy that does just one event and Wins it... He also has 4 points... So they are tied... Or better, the second is ahead because he has one Win... :x
When we were 8 guys Racing it was one thing... But that is not the case anymore.
Cya!
Rogério
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Post by aarog5606 on Nov 17, 2009 21:47:07 GMT
I can see both points and and just like any racing event, someone is not going to like the scoring system. I do feel the person who has entered all events should be rewarded. Maybe at the end of the month, whoever has participated in all events should get one extra point? Still keeps things close, but keeps Rogerios point(b) from happening.
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Post by Jussi on Nov 17, 2009 22:02:11 GMT
b) A guy does 4 Races and is always 4th... He has 4 points. And here comes another guy that does just one event and Wins it... He also has 4 points... So they are tied... Or better, the second is ahead because he has one Win... :x Not exactly... The guy who does 4 races and never places above 4th, does indeed have 4 points until the end of the month... ...but at the end of the month he will be given new classification (Semi-Pro, Clubman or Rookie), because he never reached the podium. With the new classification, come new points according to same system... If he did indeed finish 4th on each race, he would get 4 Semi-Pro points for each race and win Semi-Pro class championship (and the guy who won that one race would be somewhere on the Professional leaderboard where he belongs for being the fastest guy on an event). ...and again, if he never finished above 7th, he'd be in Clubman Class and get Clubman Points... ...and once again, if he never finished above 10th, he'd be in Rookie Class and get points toward the Rookie Championship. The reason why these points can not be given before the end of the month is that, if a person who'd been finishing no more than 10th Rookie), would in some later race place 1st - 9th, the points for the whole month would have to be counted over. Jussi
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Post by Jussi on Nov 17, 2009 22:19:33 GMT
a) What is the difference between being 4th and 15th in terms of points? Racers who place 1st - 3rd as their best result are Professionals and get points for Professional Championship... Racers who place 4th - 6th as their best result are Semi-Pro's and get points for Semi-Pro Championship... Racers who place 7th - 9th as their best result are Clubmen and get points for Clubman Championship... Racers who place 10th - 12th as their best result are Rookies and get points for Rookie Championship... Racers who place 13th - 15th as their best result are Sunday Drivers and get points for Sunday Driver Championship... Racers who place 16th - 18th as their best result are Driving School Students and get points for Student Championship... ...and so on and so on and so on. We just need to come up with more classes if we need them. Jussi
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Post by aarog5606 on Nov 17, 2009 22:29:18 GMT
Jussi, Should we post a thread in Shift PBRC with this, entitled Shift scoring system? So those who enter in the future understand.
PS. hmm, why isnt the quote box working?
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Post by Jussi on Nov 17, 2009 22:40:48 GMT
There was a "/" missing... Yes, it would indeed be a good idea to post the scoring system and rules somewhere... Did you fully understand how this works? Jussi
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Post by bobbyvey on Nov 17, 2009 22:43:52 GMT
Maybe two systems can be combined, so everyone can get more points on each race, and Jussi can still keep calculating by class groups at the end of a month (actually I like this class idea a lot). If u got time for this, please reconsider all this suggestions in order to make it all fun and encouraging for all players.... cheers
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