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Post by Chandrian on Jun 4, 2014 21:33:00 GMT
EA Forums is full of people who post there once in a life time and most of the ones that fail to understand the rules post there just for the events, barely understanding english. This is not EA Forums, you need to trust on people, unless you're suggesting they're brainless kids who won't be able handle an extra rule. Where are those three or so guys we had at the start of these or the last series that were insanely good but were barely able to speak english? Oh wait, they're gone. Rofl. Just how many people do you think will use this? This is an exception to the powerups rule. An EXCEPTION. Exception means that in the vast mayority of cases powerups will be forbidden, but that there will be a validating reason, that if you can't afford a car 'cause you do not have any slots (which I already mentioned) or 'cause you don't want to ditch skillmods (which I already mentioned too, sigh). Be it, what?, five out of 35 racers as max per race, maybe three, that will make use of this? At maybe two or three races through the whole season? Most of the time we do have the cars and the proper skillmods installed, this is just for the cases we do not and in which we could use jumpstart+NOS if we were able to. You're fussing too much for a non-sense that I wanted to add for people to have more oportunities to be able to compete against others. Also you want to help only people, who can record their races. both you and AQ9 seem to have ignored that I also suggested that it could be done via a screenshot at the launch of the race, as this has done in the past when we still used to take screenshots at the end of the race here in ISRC for w/e reason (I don't recall it). There's a program called MSI Afterburner (but of course, zOMG! What's MSI Afterburner?! No one will be able to download that program I've never heard of!) which causes no freezing while taking a screenshot (the tool incorporated by NFSW does provoke freezes). Don't know what's MSI Afterburner, where to download it or how to use it? Fine, you will be not allowed to make use of this exception and will have to get a car with 5 PS skillmods just like all the others. It's your problem to be able to record the video, because you will be the one who decides to make use of that rule. And you are really sure that perfect start NOS and NOS in powerup are one and the same? After all installed NOS skillmods don't affect perfect start. So it would required testing, yet you are saying, that you don't have time and want to drop it on someone else. I didn't drop it on someone else just because. Every racer who considers himself decent should know that perfect start NOS equals Jumpstart+NOS (and LamboGTR stated that too, without having to test it) if there's no power or duration skillmods involved. Hell, most of the time perfect start NOS will still be better than Jumpstart+NOS. There's no need to test it, and if you think there's a need, then go test it by yourself. And I do not have time (and even if I had I'd still ask LamboGTR or DENghini to make this comparison for the skeptic people because my editing skills suck compared to theirs), but if you don't believe so then it's your problem. For what it's worth, I've just uselessly spent +20 minutes writing this to convince a guy over the internet that this is not that big of a deal if done properly.
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Post by Jussi on Jun 5, 2014 0:26:13 GMT
Screenshot of burning NOS at the start would do the trick, but you do indeed need Fraps or something for the screen. Jussi
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Post by LamboGTR on Jun 5, 2014 0:29:11 GMT
But I don't have jumpstart skill mods. .___.
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Post by AQ9 on Jun 5, 2014 2:28:35 GMT
Screenshot of burning NOS at the start would do the trick, but you do indeed need Fraps or something for the screen. Jussi Never mind, I do have fraps and it does not freeze while pressing F10, but that's not my point! My point, Chandrian, is the fact you're making a big fuss about a rule, while you said it's an exception, wouldn't change results a lot and would cause nothing but confusion. We know people here are veteran players, I completely understood your rule but I simply can't find it explainable in few lines. Not all the players are following this thread so how are you going to explain to some players who are not just new to this forum (I'm sure many like these are joining RR for the first time), but find it a challenge to understand the rules which have been fixed since years ago? If you want to change the rules, I don't mind, it's your job but you've chosen a wrong time, the series have already started and you'll just create more confusion by alerting people about this extra rule if it's ever to be added.
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Post by ianism on Jun 5, 2014 2:50:15 GMT
No, it would just complicate things. What if somebody with a crappy computer decides to use your method but is not able to record a video without lag? well then they just wouldn't be able to do it that way in my opinion that being said, overall I agree with you. we are talking about a couple of seconds added to your car's overall time. it's important to remember that the point of these series are for fun. coming a couple of seconds slower and losing a position or two in the overall rankings doesn't actually change very much
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Post by DENghini on Jun 5, 2014 4:45:11 GMT
Chandrian np i did these test just now, they may be off tiny bit in my launch skills lol This video is using the Mazda rx8 Left Side - Slingshot car - 9s Jumpstart - No Extended Nos or Supershot Right Side- 5s of Headstart only Conclusion- 10s Jumpstart with No Extended Nos or Supershot would be fair game Jumpstart 9s vs Headstart 5sThis video is using the Pontiac Solstice Left Side - 5s Headstart only Right Side- 10s Jumpstart, 3* Extended Nos, 3* Supershot, 3* Rapid Fire. Conclusion- This setup is No fair game XD 5s Headstart vs 10s Jumpstart +i have no opinion on this subject, whatever is decided i'm fine with videos will be deleted within a month, since i didn't take my time to make them fancy XD
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Post by Chandrian on Jun 5, 2014 11:18:25 GMT
Thanks for the insight DENghini AQ9 I guess I thought this wouldn't be that big of a deal to discuss about and we'd be able to implement it by the first race of this new series, but it doesn't seem so. And you're right, most people are not following this topic now that it's not on top anymore. Guess it'll have to wait till the next series, if at all.
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Post by Jussi on Jun 5, 2014 15:30:26 GMT
Looks to me that a single NOS launched at the start between 2 and 4 seconds is fair game as long as the car has no NOS enhancing mods installed. So, let's do this under these conditions: 1. Video proof or screenshot with NOS burning and race timer between 2:00.00 and 4:00.00 2. End race screen showing the installed skill mods (no NOS enhancers or PS mods)Does this sound fair? ...and if you are worrying about getting that NOS screen, get free fraps and set it to take screens every second. Enable it at the countdown and disable after 4 seconds. Jussi
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Post by LamboGTR on Jun 5, 2014 16:17:26 GMT
How many people would actually use this new rule? :l
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Post by AQ9 on Jun 5, 2014 17:06:18 GMT
Does this sound fair? ...and if you are worrying about getting that NOS screen, get free fraps and set it to take screens every second. Enable it at the countdown and disable after 4 seconds. Jussi Yes, fair enough. Like I said, it's not a problem for me after all. ... I've been using Fraps for 6 years and I never thought about using that feature.
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Post by nevermemos on Jun 5, 2014 17:46:46 GMT
1st of all the perfect launch is not affected by skill mods, only the duration via headstart. Also i have my concerns about taking a screenshot on headstart. Even the slightest freeze happens when capturing a screenshot can have a huge impact on my time. As for showing the skill mods after we finish the race i don't have a problem. But tell me Jussi , what happens if my best run i have now the screenshot doesn't show the skillmods. That is unfair you know. My opinion is to set the new rules after this weeks event race except If the rules are set to be active right away especially the screenshot during headstart i will withdraw from competition.
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Post by andsoclean on Jun 5, 2014 17:57:47 GMT
I don't see the point for such a rule since we all have cars that don't have perfect start. I either replace some of the lesser-valuable skills or do the run without perfect start installed.
Still, I don't see the harm in implementing a rule like this if someone wants to take the trouble to capture screenshots of using NOS at the beginning of a race.
MSI Afterburner is an amazing tool and has let me record 1080p video's without issue on my 5 yr old PC.
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Post by Jussi on Jun 5, 2014 18:07:34 GMT
But tell me Jussi , what happens if my best run i have now the screenshot doesn't show the skillmods. You don't need to show the skills, if you do not use this NOS at the start option. It's now only Thursday, I see no harm in implementing this new rule today for the first race, there's always round 2 with a race in this same class. Jussi
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Post by Chandrian on Jun 5, 2014 18:39:46 GMT
1st of all the perfect launch is not affected by skill mods, only the duration via headstart. Also i have my concerns about taking a screenshot on headstart. Even the slightest freeze happens when capturing a screenshot can have a huge impact on my time. Well, that depends very much of how do you make the screenshot. Slightest freezes do happen if the screenshots are taken with the tool NFS World has, but they normally don't happen if you're using MSI Afterburner, Fraps, Dxtory, Mirillis Action or Bandicam. Just be sure to set the program to save the screenshots in .jpg quality, and not .png or .bmp, which have way more quality and might cause freezing (though my pc doesn't cause freezing if I take screenshots in .png quality). As for showing the skill mods after we finish the race i don't have a problem. But tell me Jussi , what happens if my best run i have now the screenshot doesn't show the skillmods. That is unfair you know. My opinion is to set the new rules after this weeks event race except If the rules are set to be active right away especially the screenshot during headstart i will withdraw from competition. That's the thing, you don't need to show the skillmods if you're not going for the Jumpstart+NOS, it's just necessary for the ones applying that exception.
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Post by Jussi on Jun 5, 2014 19:37:14 GMT
Took these on my netbook using that screen per second feature in free Fraps... I had 8 seconds of early powerups skill mods installed and as you can see the NOS timer is not in the last picture. In other words, NOS ran out before it would have ran out if I had 5 seconds of perfect start mods installed. So... I'd say, 8 or 9 seconds early peowerups and one shot of NOS should be fair for everyone. I'll post an example entry and then those who want, can use this option in Revolution Racing 3. Jussi
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