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Post by Grnkjr0 on Aug 14, 2010 19:26:03 GMT
Yes Matty from viewing that link you provided I see people posting lap times - comparing the mod and without - it sure seems that it makes the game harder, but how many mods do you have in your forum that makes the cars go faster?
Poul
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Post by TheGreenMonster (PC) on Aug 14, 2010 19:26:44 GMT
Then still go to wrecord.com/ and race and tell us how you do...
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Post by matty on Aug 14, 2010 19:29:10 GMT
To The green monster You are completly stupid. Im not even playing shift online and im surely not intented to advertise on such a small community, which is surely not the place for potential "customers" Anyway, im just here because someone told me that you guys are saying bullshit about the overhaul mod, im just correcting it. Im surely a noob in Arcade games, im 55 years old and i have real racing experiences and im trying to port it to the games ive play or ive played for over 8 years now, dont talk to me as to a child please, im not one. Wrecord is a joke, all "records" are made with "normal" handling, its like Senna was driving F1s with ESP and Dragrace tyres, its stupid. Yes, im proud to be a modder, Overhaul isnt my own mod, ive just done a small part of it, if you think its cheating, whatever, but dont panic, no overhaul racer will pass you anytime.
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Post by matty on Aug 14, 2010 19:46:28 GMT
To Gronkjr
Im not owning no grip racing and im not a judge to decide if a mod has to be or not.
Eventually some modders are trying to improve handling in a game who has allmost arcade handling, EA claimed it at Simulation, im not understanding that.
But every mod is a hard, very very hard piece of work, hours and days and i dont like when people disrespect such a hard work whitout any real idea of what is it.
And why screaming about cheaters? Play in private lobbys, who plays in public lobbys to have good races?
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Post by TheGreenMonster (PC) on Aug 14, 2010 19:54:31 GMT
You're not a real racer you're hacker trying to make a buck I bet you would sell you're momma under wear to make some money.... People who don't use you're training wheels hacks are respected racers and don't need a handicap in order to win a race. You're a legend in you're own mind....now go away hacker and go find out if you momma bought some new underwear that you can sell To The green monster You are completly stupid. Im not even playing shift online and im surely not intented to advertise on such a small community, which is surely not the place for potential "customers" Anyway, im just here because someone told me that you guys are saying bullcrap about the overhaul mod, im just correcting it. Im surely a noob in Arcade games, im 55 years old and i have real racing experiences and im trying to port it to the games ive play or ive played for over 8 years now, dont talk to me as to a child please, im not one. Wrecord is a joke, all "records" are made with "normal" handling, its like Senna was driving F1s with ESP and Dragrace tyres, its stupid. Yes, im proud to be a modder, Overhaul isnt my own mod, ive just done a small part of it, if you think its cheating, whatever, but dont panic, no overhaul racer will pass you anytime.
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Aug 14, 2010 19:58:36 GMT
I understand what you are saying Matty, but you can not expect people that do not use any 3rd party program or mods to have to go to a private lobby - in order to have a good nights racing - to avoid having to deal with noobs in ranked online races, who have installed some of the mods that makes the handling better or gives your tires better grip.
In fact if you provide people with mods why do you not also suggest they race unranked or in private lobbies, where they can race against people who also have installed the mods. Another thing - EA should make it possible for people who needs to cheat to race online, but unranked only - no entrance to ranked online play. You on that no grip racing are the ones making mods for Shift - and it was you who ought to keep your mods in private lobbies.
Poul
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Post by matty on Aug 14, 2010 20:23:04 GMT
This will be my last post here, seeing how its moderated, it seems that someones dont really read what im writing or even able to understand it, maybe im too old. To gronkjr nogrip racing is the reason for cheaters? Holy god, there are no trainers or something like that avaible there, its not the point of this site. Shift is just "accepted" cause of the turning point to simlike series in Need for Speed, its a very small part of nogrip and the physics are known meat, its a good looking game, a good introduction to simlike racing and thats all. Nobody releases mods for online gaming, its possible to play online but its not the point so dont accuse the site to be the source of cheaters in shift. To the good races online, you missunderstood me. I meaned that its just weird in allmost games to play in public games, especially in racing games, not a problem of modders or cheaters, you may pin'em up, its a question of abilyties and fairness, do you have many races (without beeing with cheaters) with 10+ persons with nearly the same abilities, fighting fair for each 10th of second on 20+ laps races? Or are you allmost 10 secs faster each lap and falling asleep cause you get no real work? I mean not 2-3 fast guys, i mean a troop And such races are possible in shift, but not in public lobbys, thats what i meaned I wish you all good fun while playing
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Post by matty on Aug 14, 2010 20:26:40 GMT
PS
And i wasnt intended to insult anyone of you here. I was pissed off to read some stuff like i pinned, thats all.
And this is not a viewpoint from nogripracing.com, im not a staff member, its my personal mind.
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Aug 14, 2010 20:35:04 GMT
First of all - donĀ“t bring the age issue into this forum - some of the most active members are in fact not exactly teenagers anymore. I am 39 and Sunny (TheGreenMonster) just turned 52. Now I understand that no grip forum is not the source of trainers, but are you saying I can not find mods that will improve my lap times there? I find that hard to believe.
Poul
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Post by Jussi on Aug 14, 2010 20:55:51 GMT
Oops... Jussi
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Post by aarog5606 on Aug 14, 2010 21:25:19 GMT
Matty, I think we all agree that Shift is not a Simulator, no one here has claimed that it was to my knowledge. I also dont know of anyone at ISRC that claims to be a Sim racer, although there are several that would do great in a true Sim. We(most of us) are only interested in playing Shift for what it is, without any modifications to physics, as is everyone at Wrecord.com So when you leave us your opinion on a modifaction, you should expect to hear some of our opinions in return. I would expect two poeple over the age of 50 would be a little more mature.
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Post by TheGreenMonster (PC) on Aug 14, 2010 22:14:07 GMT
i was trying to insult him, He's was trying advertise his hacks on our fair and clean website....I think I did a good job...... What was he expect for us to say sure dude, no problem we'll start cheating and racing dirty because you said it was ok I would expect two poeple over the age of 50 would be a little more mature.
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Post by TheGreenMonster (PC) on Aug 15, 2010 15:32:58 GMT
What I think is really fun and I think most online racers would also agree with me, Is to race in room with no one using any modifications, trainers or cheats.
We all have the same game with the same patch version and no one has an advantage over the other one's..
The only difference is you're special tuning and you're driving experience,, and for those people who need help with tuning they can join a crew like ours and we can help them become better racers.
That's good clean fun, and may the best racer win...... Just like in NASCAR
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Post by nlane3000 (PC) on Aug 15, 2010 16:44:26 GMT
o dear that didnt go down so well lol.
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Post by djotefsoup on Dec 27, 2010 5:19:22 GMT
Hi, I'm the new maintainer for the Overhaul mod post 1.31 (and PM of the DLC cars conversion). I'd just like to clear up some misconceptions (perhaps just as a result of ambigious wording in the mod description) that seem to be going on here about what the mod does To go over some of the things people have mentioned in the thread: Adjusted tyre grip - as was mentioned earlier in the thread, Shift uses a global coefficient of friction variable called "grip level" - essentially how much friction there is between any tyre surface and any ground surface. The adjustment made by Overhaul 1.31 is to reduce this coeff by 20%. 20% less grip. Not more grip Minimised gear change delay - this is in order to make the game more suited to using an H pattern shifter rather than buttons. Gear changes in Shift work on the following parameters: ClutchEngageRate=0.8 //Auto clutch gradual engagement rate from neutral to 1st gear. ClutchInertia=0.0111 ClutchTorque=450.0 ClutchWear=0.0 ClutchFriction=10.00 BaulkTorque=475.0 SemiAutomatic=0 // whether throttle and clutch are operated automatically UpshiftDelay=0.10 // delay in selecting higher gear (low for semi-automatic, higher for manual) UpshiftClutchTime=0.30 // time to ease auto-clutch in AFTER upshift (0.0 for F1 cars) DownshiftDelay=0.10 // delay in selecting lower gear (low for semi-automatic, higher for manual) DownshiftClutchTime=0.50 // time to ease auto-clutch in AFTER downshift (used to be SemiAutoClutchTime, note that the shift will complete significantly before the clutch is fully engaged) DownshiftBlipThrottle=0.70 // amount of throttle used to blip if controlled by game (instead of player) The Shift system for this is hardcoded to always apply these delay/shifttime parameters on receiving a button press to change gear, which works fine for direct shifters and paddles. When you use a manual clutch and H pattern, the shiftdelay happens when the H shifter's gear button is depressed - so rather than disabling these and going by your clutch/shift action for full manual shifts, you actually get the delay from the gearbox and clutch applied after you've already changed to the next gear. So it actually ends up taking about twice as long to shift as it would have been if you'd used a button. Disabled grip reduction at Karussell - the surface properties for this corner have a bad interaction with another control property in Shift, designed to stop players from 180ing if they hit a kerb the wrong way (eg the sudden change in grip levels going over the kerb can bite on one wheel and rotate the car around it). The game applies a grip reduction to front wheels (and only front wheels) going over any surface marked as a kerb. The Karussell is (mistakenly, it seems) counted as a 'kerb' surface, rather than as a concrete road, and gets this grip reduction applied. This results in slower speeds (5-10kmh) than is actually possible from this part of the track and makes it a bit strange trying to keep the differential from acting up. You are welcome to post your best laptimes from pro mode in Overhaul if you think it's a set of training wheels. It's not really about trying to get faster laptimes - 20% less mechanical grip, harsher dropoff in aerodynamic grip in corners and harsher consequences for stalling out aerodynamic surfaces, as well as turning on some critical damage elements like blown engines, generally are not the kinds of things that get you many extra seconds off a lap. But you are certainly welcome to try!
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