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Post by VGSpeedPro on Dec 15, 2009 12:45:01 GMT
Hi mate!
There is a Sound at the Start and at the End of the Race is all is working like it should. The results are sent Manually I think... At least I just know this way! :S When the result is captured by the Client, you go there and Login to the Site. After that you press the Send Marked Results button. Thats it. If you are having problems, send the Debug File to INFEL8.
Rogério
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Post by aarog5606 on Dec 15, 2009 12:53:23 GMT
Ok, thanks. I should have been already logged in, as i had just downloaded client and registered. I did not send results though. Did hear the sound before and after race too.
Got client to work, i used wrclientshift-gt2 application instead of wrclientshift. What is the difference?
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Dec 15, 2009 13:37:40 GMT
Hi! They created that exe because some people seemed to have better Graphics Performance renaming the exe to that... Dont know why! :x This said, runing that Client exe you should have to rename the "shift.exe" to "gtr2.exe". Mind you that you have to Login in the Client Software itself. Not only register on the Site and Login there... I am not sure what you are doing atm.! Rogério
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Post by rcgldr on Dec 15, 2009 15:40:30 GMT
I've been comparing the world record with the leaderboards for the PC. Sometimes the world record site has the best lap times, sometimes the EA leaderboard has the best lap times (ignoring the times made by cheaters). Perhaps it's because there are more players online at EA, and the world record site tends to focus on specific tracks like Nordschleife.
Although I haven't experienced this myself, looking at the leaderboard stats, some of the players I've seen online have set unusually fast times, but when I've raced with them online they're fast, but not unusually fast. For example, VRTKiller posted a 1:58.479 at Spa GP, almost 2 seconds faster than the World Record time, but I've raced with him quite a few times, and I've never seen unusually fast times. He also has fast lap times at Nordschliefe and Autopolis GP, but not many other tracks.
I did follow some guy doiing a time attack online at Nordschleife (I recommended doing the time attack instead of a 'long' 2 lap race, so I volunteered to follow), and he got his best lap time, but I'm not sure if it was because of the difference between a standing start, or if he had run 2 lap races before, or if the now fixed time attack is affecting lap times somehow.
So I'm wondering if there is still a speed bug in the game like the one that Cipriani encountered early on. All this plus I'm still suspicious that NFS shift lap times could be affected by a players system (hardware, OS, controller), and now looking at the leaderboards I'm wondering if there is some track sensitivity factor where some players are faster at some tracks than others (but this could be setup related).
Another factor could be that doing a time attack online might be different than doing a time attack offline, or that a time attack might be different than doing a normal multi-lap race.
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Dec 15, 2009 18:22:45 GMT
Hi!
Jeff, things are pretty simple... World Records Times are real, trustworthy, no cheats and no cutting... Online Times are not to trust... I feel a little strange having to tell you this, but then again, is not the 1st time I have to do something like this in recent weeks! :x
Rogério
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Dec 15, 2009 18:33:22 GMT
Hi! Jeff, things are pretty simple... World Records Times are real, trustworthy, no cheats and no cutting... Online Times are not to trust... I feel a little strange having to tell you this, but then again, is not the 1st time I have to do something like this in recent weeks! :x Rogério How would you know this if you never raced online Rogerio? I think a lot of players will say that sometimes online lap times are faster, than what is possible offline. Sometimes you feel more grip and the speed is a bit higher, but you should experience this yourself and of course not take my word for it. Poul
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Dec 15, 2009 21:33:19 GMT
Poul, Online is not a controlled environment, like you stated... Therefor, you cant take Online Times as reference.
Rogério
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Post by rcgldr on Dec 16, 2009 0:10:40 GMT
Online is not a controlled environment, like you stated... Therefore, you cant take online times as reference. That wasn't my point. Can a player run a race or time attack online, while using the wrecord client, and then submit that time?
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Post by spiko on Dec 16, 2009 1:42:32 GMT
Online is not a controlled environment, like you stated... Therefore, you cant take online times as reference. That wasn't my point. Can a player run a race or time attack online, while using the wrecord client, and then submit that time? Jeff, WR client works for quick race only. Spiko
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Dec 16, 2009 5:19:30 GMT
Rogerio what I mean is that you never know who drives around in Shift doing great lap times, possible even world records, because he does not know of "World Record Project". I see that your Nordschleife time has been beaten by Wolfking using pad, doing 5.52 an improvement of your time by 4.3 secs. Now we all know that a lot of people are using pad when racing Shift, so I would not be surprised if there are people racing in Shift, that are faster than what you think is possible. I sure think that in game settings and Logitech Profiler settings has a lot of saying when it comes to cars performance/grip and I read that one guy had tried 3 different wheels and that he thought G25 sucked compared to Driving Force GT. Online bugs are still happening and I think with the Zonda and LP640 too. What determines who gets these bugs and is it a random thing or can it be forced like in Pro Street? And is it OS, controller or even PC system related? You just never know what is possible without it being a 3rd party program that enables a cheat. Poul
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Post by rcgldr on Dec 16, 2009 6:35:12 GMT
World Records Times are real, trustworthy, no cheats and no cutting The times are still based on NFS Shift, and there's no way to prove that NFS Shift plays consistently, even between two runs on the same PC, much less on different PC's and controllers. As evidence of the randomness in NFS Shift, try doing fast laps (sub 31 seconds), at Dakota Tri-Oval in a Zonda R (use zero downforce). Depending on your racing line, the car will bounce once every 2 or 3 laps, even though your racing line and speeds are near identical. If not for the bouncing issue, the Zonda R could probaly run sub 30 second laps, but the bounce issue prevents this. The banked ovals show an extreme issue with an apparently random bouncing factor. I assume that a more subtle non-visual bounce issue could be interfering with the grip level on a car during a run. Then there is this statement of from a review of patch 1.02, where just changing the video card on a system had a huge impact on gameplay, when graphics were maxed out: Though the difference in framerates is small, the difference in gameplay was huge. Using the HD 4870 X2 at 2560x1600 with 24X CFAA, the game was not smooth at all. It was choppy and there was a huge amount of input latency. It took longer for the car or brake to turn after we pressed the button telling it so, and so we crashed a lot more.www.hardocp.com/article/2009/11/10/need_for_speed_shift_gameplay_performance_iq/7Note that frame rate wasn't affected, just the gameplay, which is why I suspect that NFS Shift gameplay is affected similarly, but more subtly, by system differences even when graphic settings are set to more normal levels. I wish the new games had the controller input based replay systems used in NFS5 - Porsche Unleashed and older NFS games, as these proved the games played the same on all PC's as well as being cheat proof.
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Dec 16, 2009 12:38:48 GMT
Hi!
Poul, what I am about to say is same advice level as the one to buy a wheel and its valid also to Jeff: stop trying to justify the performance of others based on external factors... Instead invest time in better yourselves.
About the Nord time, I meanwhile beat 2 of his parcial track times, but didnt try again full Lap. I dont think I can do 5m 52s with present setup, but I can surely be closer. Anyway, the Pads just do awesome times, at least so far, in tracks where bouncing and cutting corners over kerbs is done (Nord, Autopolis, Donington, etc.). This happens because of Steering Assist Low. On the remaining tracks, wheel should be safe.
Cya!
Rogério
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Dec 16, 2009 14:11:20 GMT
My God what an arrogant comment. I guess you forgot you stopped racing PBRC Undercover because Spiko had an advantage using pad - "stop trying to justify the performance of others based on external factors and invest time in better yourselves" - my ass.
Poul
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Dec 16, 2009 16:03:28 GMT
Hi!
No its not arragont... Its a way of saying: stop thinking that everyone else knows some trick you dont, and start racing with what you have. Is what I do, sometimes it works, others it dont. I think I am not the only one that is tired of reading you and Jeff talking about how "maybe" PC specs affect Racing, how maybe you dont have the right controller and similar stuff. Only someone who is looking for some kind of justification to what they think is not possible under normal circumstances continues to insist on that, especially when WR Project is running! I am guessing that you think that all the Top Drivers (which I consider you to be one, btw) there have the same PC Hardware, same Wheel Settings, same Operating System with the exact same Updates, same Applications installed, etc., and none of them share any resemblance to what you or Jeff have at home. That is why they are fast, not because they are skilled or they invested a great deeal of time in it.
The Undercover comment is stupid, to say the least. Everyone knew that X360 and Keyboard had a Controller Bug, and knew it long before I stop playing it. I stoped racing the game the day that it was known that it wouldnt be in WCG, for your information and since I had no fun whatsoever in that game, due to those controller bugs, the game was uninstalled that day.
Again I dont consider my argument arrogant. Its just a piece of advice, nothing else. Maybe a hard comment, but sometimes its called for.
Rogério
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Dec 16, 2009 16:42:25 GMT
Hey Well Rogerio if it was not an arrogant comment then it was naive. I sure as hell do not think that you or the guys at World Record Project are any better racers than me, its simply as you say time invested in the game. Here are some pictures taken right now from Road America. The 1.49.58 using Zonda R - which should according to your thinking, be the 3rd worlds fastest at the moment - beaten by MrRaser by only 0.05 sec. The 2nd picture is from 10 mins ago using the LP640 doing it in 1.49.796. Now I will upload that LP640 video to youtube, so that you can see that the run could and should have been improved by 1 sec, if I had not made a mistake or two. I will not comment on this game being system depending - just remind you that Shift could easily be affected by what hardware or software in combination you use. We all know that NFS has had some weird bugs in it in the past. Poul
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