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Post by VGSpeedPro on Nov 17, 2009 23:11:53 GMT
Hi!
Yeah... I didnt remember the Class detail! :S Sorry about that...
Still something must be done to make people understand all this and keep them motivated.
Rogério
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Post by aarog5606 on Nov 17, 2009 23:22:21 GMT
There was a "/" missing... Yes, it would indeed be a good idea to post the scoring system and rules somewhere... Did you fully understand how this works? Jussi Yes i understand. I wasnt thinking about the ranking(class) system(actually forgot : , which i do like.
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Post by Jussi on Nov 18, 2009 1:53:15 GMT
No problem guys! It's easy to forget when you see most of the people getting the same 1 point... What comes to Bobby's suggestion, I think I can easily make 3 concepts on last months races and we can then review what the differences are... 1. The points we use now with the classes 2. FIA points also with the same classes 3. Points that depend on the contestant count also with the classes we use now This should be fairly easy to do now that we already know who belongs to what class in October Championship. It'll be interesting to see the differences and also which system is easiest to count... Jussi
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Post by Jussi on Nov 19, 2009 7:11:33 GMT
Here's the last month's pro-board with FIA points... Professional Leaderboard: DRIVER | 4.00 | 6.00 | 10.00 | 14.00 | Tier 1| TOTAL ----------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+------- VGSpeedPro | 8 pt + 5 pt + 10 pt + 8 pt + 8 pt = 39 pt Grnkjr0 | 5 pt + 10 pt + 6 pt + 6 pt + 6 pt = 33 pt Cipriani | 0 pt + 8 pt + 8 pt + 10 pt + 10 pt = 32 pt aarog5606 | 6 pt + 6 pt + 4 pt + 5 pt + 5 pt = 26 pt TCRluca | 10 pt + 4 pt + 5 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 24 pt I really can't motivate my self to do the other ones, because I have a better idea, which I will explain later......but from that one you can already see how our winner would turn to 3rd, just because he missed one race? Is that good or not? And typical to FIA points, the winner is not the one who won most races either... Jussi
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Post by Jussi on Nov 19, 2009 7:56:13 GMT
Let me warn you, this new system is really unforgiving to those who do not enter all races! ...but it also displays the actual current standings for all players after each race, so there's less counting to do after the final event of the month. Here's how it works: 1. Winner of each event gets as many points as there was participants in that event and the racer who got the last place gets 1 point. 2. Starting from the first race, racers are given ranks, these ranks may change after each race, depending on how high the racers place. First 3 racers are Professionals, next 3 Semi-Pro's and so on and so on... Once a racer reaches a higher rank, that rank will stick until the end of the month. Let's see what the board would look like at the end of the month, shall we... New Style Leaderboard: DRIVER | 4.00 | 6.00 | 10.00 | 14.00 | Tier 1| TOTAL | RANK ----------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+------------- VGSpeedPro | 10 pt + 13 pt + 12 pt + 15 pt + 12 pt = 62 pt | Professional Grnkjr0 | 8 pt + 16 pt + 10 pt + 14 pt + 11 pt = 59 pt | Professional Cipriani | 0 pt + 15 pt + 11 pt + 16 pt + 13 pt = 55 pt | Professional aarog5606 | 9 pt + 14 pt + 8 pt + 12 pt + 10 pt = 53 pt | Professional TCRluca | 11 pt + 12 pt + 9 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 32 pt | Professional Spiko | 7 pt + 7 pt + 6 pt + 11 pt + 7 pt = 38 pt | Semi-Pro paul | 0 pt + 10 pt + 7 pt + 10 pt + 8 pt = 35 pt | Semi-Pro Bandit | 5 pt + 8 pt + 5 pt + 5 pt + 5 pt = 28 pt | Semi-Pro TimTaylor | 6 pt + 9 pt + 4 pt + 3 pt + 4 pt = 26 pt | Semi-Pro BobbyVey | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 9 pt + 9 pt = 18 pt | Semi-Pro Khekz | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 13 pt + 0 pt = 14 pt | Semi-Pro TheGreenMonster | 0 pt + 11 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 11 pt | Semi-Pro jsskppnn | 4 pt + 6 pt + 2 pt + 6 pt + 1 pt = 17 pt | Clubman Paragleiber | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 8 pt + 6 pt = 14 pt | Clubman paulalana | 0 pt + 0 pt + 3 pt + 7 pt + 3 pt = 13 pt | Clubman RicardoElfrinko | 3 pt + 5 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 8 pt | Clubman jiipper | 0 pt + 3 pt + 0 pt + 2 pt + 2 pt = 7 pt | Clubman raptor1201 | 2 pt + 4 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 6 pt | Clubman Corairs | 0 pt + 0 pt + 1 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 1 pt | Clubman TheRookie1970 | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 4 pt + 0 pt = 4 pt | Rookie vgjono | 1 pt + 2 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 3 pt | Rookie jguff | 0 pt + 1 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt = 1 pt | Rookie aNtsa | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + 1 pt + 0 pt = 1 pt | Rookie ...and here are the changes in the final board... OLD SYSTEM -> NEW SYSTEM ------------------------------------------ 1. Cipriani -> 1. VGSpeedPro 2. VGSpeedPro -> 2. Grnkjr0 3. Grnkjr0 -> 3. Cipriani 4. aarog5606 -> 4. aarog5606 5. TCRluca -> 5. TCRluca 6. Spiko -> 6. Spiko 7. paul -> 7. paul 8. TimTaylor -> 8. Bandit 9. Bandit -> 9. TimTaylor 10. BobbyVey -> 10. BobbyVey 11. TheGreenMonster -> 11. Khekz 12. Khekz -> 12. TheGreenMonster 13. jsskppnn -> 13. jsskppnn 14. paulalana -> 14. Paragleiber 15. Paragleiber -> 15. paulalana 16. RicardoElfrinko -> 16. RicardoElfrinko 17. raptor1201 -> 17. jiipper 18. jiipper -> 18. raptor1201 19. Corairs -> 19. Corairs 20. vgjono -> 20. TheRookie1970 21. TheRookie1970 -> 21. vgjono 22. jguff -> 22. jguff 23. aNtsa -> 23. aNtsa So, what do you think? ..and remember that this system shows the actual standings after each race. Jussi
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Post by bobbyvey on Nov 19, 2009 9:16:45 GMT
I think this system would motivate ppl to participate more regularly and that's ok with me. It also would motivate us, a bit slower racers, to go for our best possible times, even though we cannot possibly reach the podium. U should certainly make a poll about this...
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Post by aarog5606 on Nov 19, 2009 12:48:18 GMT
I like it!
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Nov 19, 2009 12:59:16 GMT
Hi! I agree... Its quite alright, fair and able to motivate everyone! Rogério
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Nov 19, 2009 14:29:10 GMT
I like it too. It really forces those participating to remember to post a time, or else they are left behind in the race for the championships.
Poul
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Post by Jussi on Nov 20, 2009 5:33:13 GMT
U should certainly make a poll about this... Good think about dictatorships is that polls aren't needed...I'll just implement the new system for this month and then we can re-open the discussion later, if people still aren't happy. Jussi
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Post by Jussi on Nov 20, 2009 6:22:56 GMT
NEW POINTS SYSTEM IMPLEMENTED AND POINTS FIXED!1:56.050 - aarog5606 - Camaro SS - 9.98 - 19 points 1:56.050 - Grnkjr0 - Camaro SS - 9.98 - 18 points 1:56.500 - paul - Camaro SS - 9.98 - 17 points --------------------------------------------------------------- 1:57.540 - Spiko - Camaro SS - 9.98 - 16 points 1:58.580 - Cipriani - Camaro SS - 9.98 - 15 points 1:59.140 - abdmaster - Camaro SS - 9.98 - 14 points --------------------------------------------------------------- 1:59.300 - BobbyVey - Camaro SS - 9.98 - 13 points 1:59.340 - khekz - Audi R8 - 9.99 - 12 points 1:59.670 - koop777 - Camaro SS - 9.98 - 11 points --------------------------------------------------------------- 2:00.630 - VGSpeedPro - Audi R8 - 9.99 - 10 points 2:01.570 - xXxH0TRIDExXx - Ford GT500 - 9.94 - 9 points 2:03.730 - Bandit - Camaro SS - 9.98 - 8 points --------------------------------------------------------------- 2:05.020 - rob17 - Audi R8 - 9.97 - 7 points 2:05.350 - Beggisch - Camaro SS - 9.98 - 6 points 2:08.070 - Brunch - Lancer Evo IX - 9.80 - 5 points 2:09.750 - BrianGG - Audi RS 4 - 10.00 - 4 points 2:15.480 - jsskppnn - Audi R8 - 9.99 - 3 points 2:21.500 - corairs - Porsche GT3 RS - 10.00 - 2 points 2:25.810 – vgjono – Audi RS 4 – 10.00 - 1 point November Leaderboard: DRIVER | 4.00 | 6.00 | 10.00 | 14.00 | Über | Tier 2| TOTAL | RANK ----------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+------------- Grnkjr0 | 9 pt + 12 pt + 18 pt + + + = 39 pt | Professional aarog5606 | 8 pt + 10 pt + 19 pt + + + = 37 pt | Professional Cipriani | 7 pt + 13 pt + 15 pt + + + = 35 pt | Professional BobbyVey | 6 pt + 11 pt + 13 pt + + + = 30 pt | Professional paul | 5 pt + 8 pt + 17 pt + + + = 30 pt | Professional Spiko | 0 pt + 9 pt + 16 pt + + + = 25 pt | Semi-Pro abdmaster | 0 pt + 0 pt + 14 pt + + + = 14 pt | Semi-Pro GT3x24x7 | 4 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + + + = 4 pt | Semi-Pro Bandit | 3 pt + 4 pt + 8 pt + + + = 15 pt | Clubman Khekz | 0 pt + 0 pt + 12 pt + + + = 12 pt | Clubman Brunch | 0 pt + 6 pt + 5 pt + + + = 11 pt | Clubman koop777 | 0 pt + 0 pt + 11 pt + + + = 11 pt | Clubman BrianGG | 0 pt + 5 pt + 4 pt + + + = 9 pt | Clubman jsskppnn | 2 pt + 3 pt + 3 pt + + + = 8 pt | Clubman iroNBiN | 0 pt + 7 pt + 0 pt + + + = 7 pt | Clubman Corairs | 1 pt + 2 pt + 2 pt + + + = 5 pt | Clubman VGSpeedPro | 0 pt + 0 pt + 10 pt + + + = 10 pt | Rookie xXxH0TRIDExXx | 0 pt + 0 pt + 9 pt + + + = 9 pt | Rookie rob17 | 0 pt + 0 pt + 7 pt + + + = 7 pt | Sunday Driver Beggish | 0 pt + 0 pt + 6 pt + + + = 6 pt | Sunday Driver vgjono | 0 pt + 1 pt + 1 pt + + + = 2 pt | Sunday Driver TCRluca | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + + + = 0 pt | TimTaylor | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + + + = 0 pt | TheGreenMonster | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + + + = 0 pt | paulalana | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + + + = 0 pt | Paragleiber | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + + + = 0 pt | RicardoElfrinko | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + + + = 0 pt | raptor1201 | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + + + = 0 pt | jiipper | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + + + = 0 pt | TheRookie1970 | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + + + = 0 pt | jguff | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + + + = 0 pt | aNtsa | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + + + = 0 pt | skroting | 0 pt + 0 pt + 0 pt + + + = 0 pt | Jussi PS. Everyone happy?
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Post by Jussi on Nov 20, 2009 6:33:48 GMT
A bit of speculation... I and Corairs got a lucky break when we got our Clubman rank in the first race. There's already few racers below us with more points, but they can only blame them selves for that. There's also a bunch of racers in Clubman class, who could gain a lot, by reaching top 6 in one of the remaining races. ...and what about Rogério and HotRide, stuck at Rookie Class. Few good races and they could climb up 10 positions (or even more, if they reach the podium). This is going to be interesting... Jussi
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Post by bobbyvey on Nov 20, 2009 7:41:33 GMT
This is going to be interesting... I told u so wow I'm a professional now
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Post by bobbyvey on Nov 20, 2009 9:31:04 GMT
uhm...sorry for doubleposting...I've just looked at the new tables u made by the new pointing system. I realised that number of gained points is directly dependent on number of entries in each race. Sometimes 1st guys gets even more than 20 points, the next time it's no more than 10. I don't feel this is quite right. What's wrong with the fixed pointing system? 1st always gets same points 8, 10,12 whatever. This way, some one could win a whole championship only if he is lucky enough to win in a race with extremely great number of participants. First 10 guys gets the points others can gain some extra point in the final month classification in ur way, whatever it is.... What the others think about this?
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Post by Jussi on Nov 20, 2009 14:02:35 GMT
uhm...sorry for doubleposting...I've just looked at the new tables u made by the new pointing system. I realised that number of gained points is directly dependent on number of entries in each race. Sometimes 1st guys gets even more than 20 points, the next time it's no more than 10. I don't feel this is quite right. Don't worry mate, we've tested this before and it works OK. And if you really think of it, it makes no difference whether the race is giving out 5 or 20 points as long as you enter them all. 1st place finisher alway only gets just 1 point more than the 2nd and so on. What's wrong with the fixed pointing system? 1st always gets same points 8, 10,12 whatever. I don't really think winning a race of 2 or 3 contestant is worth the same points as winning a race of 20 contestants. That's why I'm happy with these new points. This way, some one could win a whole championship only if he is lucky enough to win in a race with extremely great number of participants. No they actually could not... Even if you'd win a race of hundred people and gain 100 points, I'm pretty sure some of those hundred people would participate in some other races too. If the guy that was second even finished second to last in another race, he'd have 99 + 2 points which already exceeds that huge 100 points loot. First 10 guys gets the points others can gain some extra point in the final month classification in ur way, whatever it is.... Tried that, people weren't happy. That's why we use real time points now. Jussi
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