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Post by rcgldr on Oct 27, 2009 9:16:30 GMT
Steering assist on low. Also, he uses High TC I tried this at Willow Springs and it inteferes too much with the line I use and the oversteer that seems to help on the turns there (at least with my setups). However at Nordschliefe, my times are about the same with SA (steering assist) low, TC high as they are with everything off, just under 6:20. Since I don't have force feedback with my joysticks, I have to memorize a lot of my steering inputs. Also with my 0 front 1 rear downforce, I have to go well inside the racing line over jumps, which SA set to low seems to fight, so I have to avoid a couple of jumps. With TC set to high, the bumpy parts of the track end up being smoothed out a bit, which gets back to my theory of bouncing cars being related to an exaggerated wheel hop effect in the game. My lap times might be a bit better with a higher downforce setup, but with the higher top speed with the lower downforce setup makes it easier to pass online on the straights, and it's harder to pass in the turns. I'm also waiting for the patch to fix the physics, like the bounce issue before I spend any time on setups, that may be affected by the patch. more on thisZiggel now has the lap record at Nordschleife 5:58.082. My online best is about 6:20, my offline best 6:16.190, so it's not even close. At Willow Springs it's different, but maybe Ziggel hasn't run there much. However the other fast guy Zeusxkruiz has, running a 1:08.440, while I have the 2nd fastest time at 1:08.880. Ziggel is in 3rd with a 1:09.440. I've gone faster than 1:08.440 offline, but then I don't have to worry about dodging tires left on the track by the other players, plus I can run the track more times, and take more risk braking later over a bump near (it's a dark square) the end of the start/finish straight that sometimes sends the car bouncing into the wall. As mentioned above, Willow is slower for me if I use any assists, SA low, TC high, and I'm down to 1:11 instead of 1:09 lap times. At Nordschleife, I'm stuck around 6:20, regardless of assists, and with 0/1 downforce setup or 8/10 downforce setup. Another guess on my part is that Willow was based on ProStreet's version and perhaps it's smoother, while Nordschleife is rougher. Not big bumps, but tiny polygon seams used to create actual track surfaces used for the games physics. Note the surface you see isn't the surface used for the games physics, it's a large array of polygons that you can't see (unless there's a track editor made for Shift). Perhaps the seams are affecting the cars differently on different PC's, or perhaps the way the game handles different controllers, PC's, or the OS, is affecting the grip.
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Oct 27, 2009 15:02:10 GMT
Very informative Jeff. I just wish someone who has some inside knowledge of how the psysics works in this game, would let me know why some people I have not even heard about before in any NFS game, are suddenly so much faster than me online.
Poul
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Post by rcgldr on Oct 27, 2009 15:14:39 GMT
why some people I have not even heard about before in any NFS game, are suddenly so much faster than me online. You need to remember that many of the sim-oriented players that never played any NFS games before are now playing Shift, so we've got a new crop of players.
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Oct 27, 2009 15:21:01 GMT
Hi!
Jeff is correct... That are many Players from SimRacing to whom Shift seemed natural and that although they are playing a NFS for the 1st Time, they have a big background.
Cya!
Rogério
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Oct 27, 2009 16:49:25 GMT
Yes I forgot, it´s a brand new ballpark out there.
Poul
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Post by Paragleiber on Oct 27, 2009 19:43:22 GMT
Well, I think Ziggel comes from Race Driver Grid, there are also quite a few who have switched over from that.
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Post by rcgldr on Oct 28, 2009 23:58:16 GMT
It's also possible that you have very good drivers combined with what I believe to be a system sensitive bug in NFS Shift, resulting in a new set of players dominating the leaderboards. Looking at the videos, the amount of bouncing varies, although only a few of the older videos were maded with untuned cars, eliminating that as an issue.
As mentioned before it seems that grip levels are being affected by the system, perhaps similar to the bouncing bug, but these would be "micro" bounces that can't be seen or felt, but would affect the grip levels. One thing that seems to indicate this is the fact that you see less variation at smooth tracks like Willow Springs (probably a ProStreet conversion), versus NordSchleife.
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Oct 29, 2009 3:59:11 GMT
Hey Jeff
I think you maybe right about it being something to do with system or software. I have tested different settings last night and I used the latest Logitech 5.08 (the one released for Windows 7), and I can feel I have better grip now with the Zonda than what I had before. I also set the Force feedback to the fullest and changed the steering sensitivity. Now my Zonda works online.
The problem is that I have tuned all my cars to be the fastest with the old Logitech software and earlier in game settings, but they all feel a bit slower now when I race online. I am still testing all this, I need to see what happens when I change car setups as well.
Poul
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Post by rcgldr on Oct 29, 2009 9:49:46 GMT
I'm using two joysticks, so no force feedback here. My offline and online lap times are about the same, although sometimes it seems a bit different, but that could be due to the fact that I'm not running at the same track repeatedly to work on lap times, and I'm having to avoid other players and/or the debris sometimes scattered on the tracks.
I also don't understand why I seem to do reasonably well at Willow Springs GP, but not Nordschleife. I did a few runs against a player KoreanSundo, who was running around 6:10, however my win count went up even though I was always placing 2nd, so perhaps a cheat detect or lap cut could cause this?
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Post by Paragleiber on Oct 29, 2009 19:58:54 GMT
To get back to the topic: Week 3 of the challenge has started. This time it's Ambush Canyon with Dodge Viper. I have already posted a lap myself. I won't have a chance to win the best lap price with this but I am trying to get the one for the most viewed video, so if you want to help me please take a quick look.
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Post by rcgldr on Oct 29, 2009 23:30:59 GMT
That could be tough to do. Most of mine are 100 to 300, but my master last corner (Nordschleife Karusell) video is at 5,880 views so far. As expected, Zestxkruiz holds the lap record at 1:13.858, followed by Ziggel at 1:14.376, who used a Viper, on the leaderboard. Update - I saw Ziggel online and he was using some type of cheat, so his lap time doesn't count.
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Oct 30, 2009 2:46:19 GMT
I know how to do that - awesome driving.
Poul
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Post by Paragleiber on Nov 2, 2009 20:39:26 GMT
Right, I only got second place with the views although my video got 10 times as many comments and ratings than the one who won and I posted it almost everywhere and sent it. This is really fu cked up, I will not try it again. Best laptime was again by ardathrokok, a 1:14:610.
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Post by corairs on Nov 4, 2009 4:06:45 GMT
We'll i just tryed Ambush Canyon with the Dodge Viper it like driveing on ice
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Nov 4, 2009 4:19:29 GMT
Was the winner in this using cheats?
Poul
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