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Post by Racing4chile on Nov 11, 2013 13:29:44 GMT
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Post by Jussi on Nov 11, 2013 13:36:34 GMT
Sorry Jussi but thats not an excuse to use it in european roster You are completely right. It is not an excuse to use it in our European series, it is the reason for using it in our European series. We also have Marussia B2 on our European cars roster. It's a Russian car, but it was designed and built in cooperation with Finnish Valmet Automotive. You do not have to use either of those cars, if you do not want to. You don't have to use Capri, Cortina, Escort or Focus either, if you feel they are American. These are the rules we have set and we will follow them, whether or not they are right. ...and for the lulz, here are some examples of today's American cars, I do not consider American despite the bowtie... Jussi
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Post by Chandrian on Nov 11, 2013 13:39:30 GMT
We have it in our European cars list, because it's nothing like the American cars of that era. I have watched documentaries on the car and my impression is that it is a car that Ford bought or ordered from Europe to be competitive against the European cars that were dominating the series at that time. Even if I was wrong, it's in our European cars roster, which makes it usable in our European Racing Series. We have it also on our American cars roster and when we have our American Racing Series, it can be used there too. New version however is an American car in ISRC 2. Jussi Sorry Jussi but thats not an excuse to use it in european roster Yet he has the excuse of the european division being discussed before the tournament. If you were to see any flaws, you should have noted them before this competition started. It could have been discussed and eventually changed before the start, but we're not able to do so now. Aston Martin, for example, gets their V8 and V12 engines from Ford, yet they're built in Europe (Germany, Cologne, to be specific); does it make them american cars just for the engine? No, it doesn't. Same happens with Jaguar engines, if I recall correctly. And same happens with Ford, even though the brand is american, it has cars that were designed for the european market.
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Post by nevermemos on Nov 11, 2013 13:58:07 GMT
why are you arguing with me Chandrian when you say the same thing as i did? As for Ford there is the American Ford which built this GT40 and Ford of Europe that builds cars for european market as you said such as Ford Focus. These are European cars, we agree.. FOrd GT40 isn't though, Thats my objection.
And for you Jussi, stating this, you don't really care if rules are right or not? wth? "These are the rules we have set and we will follow them, whether or not they are right."
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Post by Jussi on Nov 11, 2013 14:26:28 GMT
And for you Jussi, stating this, you don't really care if rules are right or not? wth? "These are the rules we have set and we will follow them, whether or not they are right." That's how laws generally are. People might think they're wrong, but everyone has to obey them. If you do not like the rules we set, you are welcome to leave. There really is no point arguing. We have a law in Finland that states that your car needs lights on when it's moving. That may seem a bit silly on a sunny summer day, but you turn them on, because it's the law. Now are you going to race or find excuses no to? Jussi
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Post by nevermemos on Nov 11, 2013 14:36:55 GMT
Laws compared to rules are something completely different
you have also stated this: Note: These rules are subject to change with or without prior notification.
It's not bad if you follow it sometimes when something is wrong
Also tell me something, by pointing a flaw in your rules what makes you think i want an excuse to not race? If i didn't want to race i wouldn't even bother pointing that flaw, simply because i would forfeit anyway. By pointing a flaw i show that icare about rules to be fair and right, not the opposite.
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Post by Racing4chile on Nov 11, 2013 14:54:15 GMT
Not saying but who care about that Ford GT40 when the diablo SV or the E30 M3 are 4 to 5 second faster ...
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Post by GTSF on Nov 11, 2013 15:09:35 GMT
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Post by Chandrian on Nov 11, 2013 15:10:16 GMT
Laws compared to rules are something completely different you have also stated this: Note: These rules are subject to change with or without prior notification. It's not bad if you follow it sometimes when something is wrong Also tell me something, by pointing a flaw in your rules what makes you think i want an excuse to not race? If i didn't want to race i wouldn't even bother pointing that flaw, simply because i would forfeit anyway. By pointing a flaw i show that icare about rules to be fair and right, not the opposite. I already told you that the flaws are to be pointed out before the tournament start if you want something to be changed. That's why there's no point arguing now.
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Post by nevermemos on Nov 11, 2013 15:18:10 GMT
Laws compared to rules are something completely different you have also stated this: Note: These rules are subject to change with or without prior notification. It's not bad if you follow it sometimes when something is wrong Also tell me something, by pointing a flaw in your rules what makes you think i want an excuse to not race? If i didn't want to race i wouldn't even bother pointing that flaw, simply because i would forfeit anyway. By pointing a flaw i show that icare about rules to be fair and right, not the opposite. I already told you that the flaws are to be pointed out before the tournament start if you want something to be changed. That's why there's no point arguing now. then tell Jussi to delete this note Note: These rules are subject to change with or without prior notification.
At GTSF, 2:48 is very very possible for Diablo SV, i have just done 2:49.5x with it
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Post by GTSF on Nov 11, 2013 15:30:06 GMT
At GTSF, 2:48 is very very possible for Diablo SV, i have just done 2:49.5x with it ... than I have to start practice and take me to my limit. Cause then it'll be way way more faster than 2.48 I wouldn't be surprised if I see a 2.47 or even a 2.46
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Post by FasterthaMyou on Nov 11, 2013 15:40:23 GMT
1st, besides Lambo , you are all very fine gentlemen. Nevermemos, please don't take offense here where there is none intended. Jussi does a good job making and enforcing the rules here. The car list for each event is published and open for discussion BEFORE the event starts. I believe Jussi (Jussi, please correct me if I am wrong here.)in his prior posts is stating to you Nevermemos that your argument is an exercise in futility. The car list is set and will not be changing. This rule that you are quoting (Note: These rules are subject to change with or without prior notification.)means that it is completely up to Jussi whether or not he makes a change. He has stated that he will not be making a change. Nevermemos my friend, so that no ill will is created by further beating this dead horse I would ask that you move on to racing. 8-)Faster
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Post by dejanboskov on Nov 11, 2013 15:44:46 GMT
---------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GROUP 2 CARS | YEAR | STOCK | CLASSES ------------------------------------------+------+-------+------------ Volkswagen Golf MK1 GTI | 1974 | D 352 | D, C, B, A Reanault Sport Clio V6 | 2005 | D 361 | D, C, B, A BMW Z4 M Coupe | 2007 | D 362 | D, C, B, A ------------------------------------------+------+-------+------------ Audi A1 Clubsport quattro | 2011 | C 446 | C, B, A Ford Escort RS Cosworth | 1992 | C 454 | C, B, A Lancia Delta HF Integrale Evoluzione | 1992 | C 454 | C, B, A Ford Focus RS | 2010 | C 458 | C, B, A FORD Escort MK1 RS1600 FIA Group 2 | 1970 | C 462 | C, B, A Audi A3 3.2 quattro | 2003 | C 464 | C, B, A BMW M3 Sport Evolution | 1986 | C 467 | C, B, A Ford Lotus Cortina | 1965 | C 468 | C, B, A BMW 3.0 CSL Gr. 5 | 1975 | C 473 | C, B, A Lamborghini Countach 5000 Quattrovalvole | 1985 | C 477 | C, B, A Ford GT40 Mk I | 1966 | C 478 | C, B, A Porsche 911 Carrera RSR 3.0 | 1974 | C 478 | C, B, A Lamborghini Miura SV | 1971 | C 479 | C, B, A Audi Quattro 20V | 1989 | C 482 | C, B, A Renault Megane RS | 2010 | C 483 | C, B, A Lotus Exige Cup 260 | 2010 | C 485 | C, B, A Jaguar E-Type Lightweight | 1963 | C 486 | C, B, A Lamborghini Diablo SV | 1999 | C 494 | C, B, A ----------------------------------------------------------------------
That would be the correct answer to that. Now back on track I'll try again but I couldn't beat a time under 3 mins. Here it is. 3.03.46 - DEJANBOSKOV - BMW ME Sport Evo - 599 - 60 www.nfsunlimited.net/world/user/DEJANBOSKOV
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Post by Jussi on Nov 11, 2013 16:41:45 GMT
By pointing a flaw i show that icare about rules to be fair and right, not the opposite. It's not a flaw, we put Ford GT40 and other European Ford cars there on purpose. We also put all Ford cars on our American car list on purpose, even though it's quite obvious that Capri, Cortina, Escort and Focus are not really American cars. NASCAR was originally a racing series for American cars, yet today they have Toyota competing there for some reason. Our reason for extending our European car roster is to give drivers with smaller garages a better chance of finding the cars they need for the series. I do not see how that would be unfair? Jussi
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Post by nevermemos on Nov 11, 2013 17:17:04 GMT
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