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Post by VGSpeedPro on Apr 11, 2011 11:18:15 GMT
Hi guys! I finally decided to surrender... I am unable to have decent fps stability in Shift 2... My E8400 doesnt cut it anymore... It seems there is a big dependency on geometry calculations by the CPU, and well, on some tracks I have standing stills... And with the wheel input being affected is a nightmare... Already have an agreement to sell mine and I hope to recover VAT buying thu the company! :X Money is not much! :X If you have suggestions, please keep in mind that the objective is to not increase spending! LOL ;P My only doubt is about memory: 4 GB with Cas7 or 8 GB with Cas9?The 8 GB solution is just 28€ more... Hope any of you can help me here to decide! I also dont intend to do overclocking! ;P Those days are behind me. This was what I gathered: COOLERMASTER DOMINATOR 690 II ADVANCED OCZ 2.5'' SSD Vertex 2 E 60GB (R 285MB / W 275MB) SEAGATE 500GB SATA III 16MB (7200.12) ASUS DVD±R 24X DRW-24B3ST BLACK BULK (SATA) CORSAIR GS700 GSKILL KIT 4GB DDR3 1600MHZ RIPJAW X (CL7) or CORSAIR KIT 8GB DDR3 1600MHZ VENGEANCE (CL9) ASUS SABERTOOTH P67 REV 3.0 XFX HD6950 2GB DDR5 PCI-E INTEL CORE i7 2600 (3.4GHZ) SKT 1155 CORSAIR HYDRO H50 REV 2 (Maybe too much, when I will not overclock?) Thanks in advance! Rogério
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Post by revit on Apr 11, 2011 11:43:14 GMT
I'd go the Vengeance ram, it gets good reviews from my tech forums, also make sure you get the 2600K cpu
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Post by aarog5606 on Apr 11, 2011 12:09:28 GMT
That will be a real nice rig! Im thinking about an upgrade myself.
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Post by rtxus (PC) on Apr 11, 2011 12:13:55 GMT
Hi Rogerio, not bad but i would take those parts: 2500k cpu vertex 3 ssd (newer and faster than V2s) GTX570 Cooler: Scythe Mugen 2 (You can even OC with this one), the corsair H50 isnt such good. HD, dont take a Seagate, they have a lot of bugged Hardware, Samsung F3 or WD may be better If You wont OC, You can take value 1333 Ram, 8 Gig is a must, the prizes alows it and its faster For the PSU, im not Fan of Corsair, maybe a Enermax Pro/Modu 525W or Superflower Golden Green 600, and you defntly not need 700 Watts...this i way too much
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Post by TheGreenMonster (PC) on Apr 11, 2011 13:15:37 GMT
Now this is a good subject Rogerio, With what you do have selected you will need at least a 650 Watt PSU everything take power.. I bought a 850 Watt Consair. Just because who knows where you will be with parts in 2 years from now. its better to buy it now that to have to replace later 550 PSU is not going to cut it, with that CPU selection and video card plus all the fans you will have a 650 PSU would be the bare minim..
I also bought the 1600MHz memory My system board at default runs at 1333MHz and in order to get it at 1600MHz I have to OC and I have done so, But every few days it would lockup tight and give me a OC memory error so I gave up on that and went to default at 1333MHz and have not had any problems since.. But when I did buy my Consair 1600MHz memory it was a free upgrade so I bought it instead
I also have a water cooler and is comparable to the CORSAIR HYDRO H50 which is a good selection btw... Poul help me piece mine out my system and he's the man when it comes to building a PC, I was going to buy a mid size tower case but he talk me into a full size tower and I am glad he did it was an excellent choice to buy the bigger case... the air flow helps keep everything cool with a bigger case
I am running Win7 (64 bit) and my PC is incredibly fast, In Shift 1 I was getting between 150-250 fps all the time.. the only other change I would make is the 60GB SSD drive I bought the 80GB Intel SSD drive and it was cheaper than the 60GB drive was... the prices on this stuff changes from week to week.. by the time you make a solid choice on the parts the prices might change and you can get more bang for the buck...
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Post by rtxus (PC) on Apr 11, 2011 13:46:52 GMT
Not in my mind to say something against what Youve said but as learned computer scientist i can defntly garantuee You that with a 80+ PSU this system, even with a GTX580 will never need more than a 500W PSU, peak load with OC may be max 400Watts effective, im running a high OCed Q9550 + SLi 260 with a 500W PSU and i have max 360W peak load . Maybe with a noname PSU which is never giving whats promised Youll need 800W but not with a high efficient one. And I had (since January 11) two online shops for PC parts and PCs, and ive sold many times the H50, You cant imagine how many of them came back...and i had 2 customer with really Watercooled System after using this one, if You know what i mean Marco
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Apr 11, 2011 15:09:46 GMT
Thanks a lot guys for the input! =) @monster: I will install also Win7 64 bit! About the SSD, here the Intel 80 GB, even if considerably slower, is 50€ more expensive! :S @marco: based on your opinion, I will change a few stuff. The Vertex 3 is a lot more expensive here and the lowest it has is 120 GB, which makes it almost 2.5 times more expensive then the one I have here, so not an option! :S The power supply, I dont have the 2nd brand you refer and the Enermax is a lot more expensive. I can change to CORSAIR HX-650W, if you feel it to be better. Memory I will go to GSKILL KIT 8GB DDR3 1333MHZ RIPJAW X (CL7), which is a little more expensive, but inside budget... Since I dont overclock, no need for 1600 Mhz, I guess. About the Cooler, I also dont like the idea of a closed water cooling system inside the PC, to be honest. My first choice was the NOCTUA NH-U12P SE2. Do you like this one? Hard drive I will change to WESTERN DIGITAL 500GB SATA III 32MB BLACK. The Processor, if I pretend only gaming, I will go with the 2500K, but I also do some video rendering, photo stuff and some sound work. So, I really wanna keep the i7. Unless you tell me something I might not know! LOL Finally, the Graphic Card... The GTX570 coasts 90€ more then the HD6950 2 GB version... I dont have money for that, but even if I had, would it be worth it? :S The difference in most tests is minimal... Cya my friends! Rogério
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Apr 11, 2011 15:48:52 GMT
Rxtus is quite right, if you buy the parts Rogerio is planning he would be fine with a 550W PSU if he chooses a 80+ PSU. He would roughly peak at 300W in total system power usage when playing games. This of course depending of how many things he has installed and connected. Only if you ran Furmark with two GTX580 in SLI, would you need more than a 1000W PSU. But Rogerio look for a modular PSU, it is so damn much easier when installing and it sure will look better without the spaghetti look. You really want the new Sandy Bridge 2600K, based on the 1155 platform. That new 2600K is faster than a 1000$ i7 990X Extreme Edition CPU, based on the older LGA1366 platform. Here is the proof.. I would upgrade now if I did not have an overclocked 4.2 GHz i7 920, but I am waiting for the new substitute for Intel´s top line LGA1366. www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-2600k-990x_4.html#sect0Also that Scythe Mugen 2 CPU cooler is a damn fine cooler (I own one myself installed in another older PC) and it performs really well - more important it´s cheap. It will actually perform better than that H50 you are thinking about buying. That CORSAIR HX-650W PSU is a fine choice and it is modular like every PSU should be. Another great brand is PC Power & Cooling - their products are also impressive quality made. Poul
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Apr 11, 2011 16:03:31 GMT
Rogerio you would of course also be fine with the i5 2500, it is a lot cheaper and since you do not plan to overclock, it´s frequency of 3.3 GHz will be almost equal to the 3.4 GHz you get with 2600K. When the turbo boost kicks in you get 3.7 Ghz compared to the 3.8 GHz with the 2600k - no big deal.
The reason why people want the k-series is because they allow you to raise the frequency multiplier (overclocking) and these new Sandy Bridge processors will hit 5.0 GHz easy - even on air if you have a top line CPU cooler. Just think of having a 5.0 Ghz running when you play Shift 2. I can tell you that Shift 2 is a very demanding game to run - actually if I want to record a race with FRAPS, I need to have my PC overclocked - otherwise it´s simply impossible to generate enough fps.
Poul
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Post by rtxus (PC) on Apr 11, 2011 16:20:52 GMT
Yep the Vertex 3 60Gb isnt out yet, the V2 isnt a bad choice , the V3 is just a way faster To the Corsair PSU, its just a personal mind, its not a bad part, im just an Enermax Fanboy^^ If youre not locked to intel CPUs You can also build a AMD sixcore, they are pretty fast or if You have a bit time You can also wait for AMDs Bulldozers, comming out Q2 2011...But there so much combinations, new Hardware comming out that You can also become crazy so i guess a 2600k cooled with the Mugen 2 on the (beautiful) Sabertooth with a 6950, 8gig ram, the Vertex 2 and the corsair PSU You will get some great Hardware for a while The Noctua is a good piece, but its not better than the Mugen, just more expensive and Your case is big enough to put the giant Mugen in Maybe a last tip: take a 1TB HD, they arent such expensive to date and theres never enough place to put Data @grnkjr I think i will go back to AMD since the Bulldozer is comming out, enough to pay the big money for intels notevensuchfaster CPUs on everytimenewsockelcannotupgrade Boards...since AMDs are able to be Overclocked as the last CPUs...(Damn i remember my 6000+ able to be Oced around 2-3% with killer Vcores, omg) Marco
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Post by TheGreenMonster (PC) on Apr 11, 2011 16:22:31 GMT
Also Rogerio is have more than one hard drive in your current system like a d:\drive you can move all your data to that drive and then move that old hard drive to the new PC... with the data still in tact...
Poul,, Is there any software program that will tell you your total power consumption? Lets see I have 6 fans inside my case. CDROM, i950 CPU, 6GB RAM, Gigibbyte UD7 mother board, 80GB SSD, 1TB Western Digital, and three 500GB Sata II 10,000 rpm drives and GTX460 video card. opps plus my water cooler has 2 three inch fans... I am not sure what my total power consumption is...
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Post by rtxus (PC) on Apr 11, 2011 16:37:11 GMT
Monster, check this: www.enermax.outervision.com/But expect 5-10% more comsumption in that results than in reality, the companies like to sell more powerfull PSUs than You really need for...You can also buy something like the Voltcraft Energy Monitor 3000, pretty good part to get the real comsumption out Marco
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Apr 11, 2011 16:41:52 GMT
I agree Rxtus that AMD have been MUCH more kind towards their customers, because they keep (nearly) the same platform and make it back wards compatible when they make a new processor, but Intel have been in a league of their own these last years, when talking about performance. AMD have been forced to lower their prices whenever Intel came up with a new platform/processor lineup. I too am waiting to see how Bulldozer will perform, but remember that Intel is planning a to replace the LGA1366 platform, later this year, and with the Sandy Bridge in mind, I have no doubt that AMD will be left behind - again. But Rogerio there is no reason to buy a k-series processor if you do not plan on overclocking. The only difference is a lower L3 cache of 6MB - as apposed to the 2600K´s L3 of 8MB. Another difference of course is that you can run 3-SLI with LGA1366 and you can only run 2-SLi with the LGA1155, but Rogerio will likely not need to run 3-SLI. Another thing, you do not want a six-core Phenom from AMD - it´s terrible slow compared to a i5 2500 processor from Intel, if you look at gaming only. www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300_7.html#sect0Poul
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Post by rtxus (PC) on Apr 11, 2011 16:55:45 GMT
No doubt that the 2600k is faster than the Sixcore from AMD, but the AMD package is a way cheaper To date not a game is devlopped to use six cores. Ivy Bridge will be a bit faster but im really looking forward whats the new AMDs can do. But i wouldnt buy an i5 (If You talk about 6MB cached CPUs, i think You meaned this one), just for one reason: No Multithreading. The 2600 no "K" is 10€ cheaper so no reason to take it too But i dont want to start another AMD vs intel comparaison
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Post by TheGreenMonster (PC) on Apr 11, 2011 16:57:11 GMT
Thats a cool program Marco thanks,,, I need to keep that link, and I made the right choice in buy a 850W PSU
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