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Post by Grnkjr0 on Jan 1, 2010 13:16:35 GMT
If you run a program like Furmark is that freezing your PC as well? Try to do a stability test and see if it freezes like with Shift. Use the 640x480 size and do not run in full screen - your card gets very hot and you could have GPUtool to log in the background to monitor temps. www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/Poul
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Post by aarog5606 on Jan 1, 2010 13:29:58 GMT
Hey Poul, remembering the article you sent me on system balance, im wondering, since he is using GTX285 with 3g duo core processor, could he getting a bottleneck? Would possibly a less video card or more processor help?
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Post by mercedesclkgtr on Jan 1, 2010 13:40:36 GMT
the 195.81 driver lasted for 1 race again. cooling doesnt seem to be a problem as it was at 61*c at the time of freezing. i'm currently downloading the benchmark test at the moment.
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Post by mercedesclkgtr on Jan 1, 2010 14:00:32 GMT
righto i might have some useful infomation for you guys. i ran the Furmark stability test, it froze =_= since i didnt get a screenshot i wrote down all the info i could. FPS: 223 Min FPS: 96 Avg FPS: 204 Max FPS: 309 Frames: 33769 Time: 165sec Lowest temp: 63*c Max temp/Current temp: 94*c ( this is wher eit froze) fan speed: 1,505 RPM @ 40% fan speed i changed it back to the 40% fan speed because the freezing was occuring at that speed long before i changed the fan speed. i'm just about to run it again with 70% fan speed and see what happens. i would like to take this oppotunity to thank you guys for helping me out with this
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Post by mercedesclkgtr on Jan 1, 2010 14:44:22 GMT
after 10 minutes, at 70% fan speed.. no crashing. these are the stats: the problem i dont understand is why did it freeze when i was playing? i dont think i was playing for that long before it froze up on me.
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Jan 1, 2010 15:14:31 GMT
Hey
If you look at the temperatures they are extremely high even at idle with a 61 C. Now when you run Shift at some point with very intensive graphics the load gets high on the graphics card - like Furmark - and it is those last 3-4 degrees that makes the card freeze. You are peaking at 94 degrees running Furmark - no wonder it freezes. What graphics settings are you running your game at? If you run 8xAA and so on you could try with no AA and have the game run a bit smoother.
I know that running the card at 100% fan speed will be a bit loud, but try that out - play Shift for half an hour and see if it crashes. If it does not, then you know what causes this - temperatures. Is it possible you could open the side panel on your PC case and let some air in - just during your summer time? Or even better is there an option to install a fan on the side panel?
Edit. I would not run Furmark again with only 40% fan speed - you might toast that card of yours.
Poul
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Post by mercedesclkgtr on Jan 1, 2010 15:57:17 GMT
yeah, its been quite hot here today, one thing i forgot to mention is that these temps were done in a air-conditioned room. the max operating temp of the card is 120*c... i didnt think it would be starting to crash at the 90*c mark. considering it still had another 30*c to go untill its reaching it max operating temp. the graphics settings are all maxed out, i can not stand playing games with lowered graphics settings. the reccomended graphics card is 512 MB card. i would imagine that a 1GB card wouldnt have any problems at all running everything on maxed. i turned down the AA to 2xAA from 4/6 AA ( i cant remember what it was at) i'll give shift a shot at 100% fan speed and see what happens tomorrow morning.. hopefully it can hold up untill the Xaser is up and running. the case i'm running at the moment is the thermaltake M9D mid-tower case. it comes with a 23cm side fan. there is also a 12cm X 12cm X 2.5cm case fan in the front and rear. www.thermaltake.com.au/Products/Chassis/VI4000BWS/M9D.aspxas you can see form the second photo... the thing is basically crammed in there. the max length it can hold is 280mm andt he card is 267mm long.. so its on the edge. i'm planning on heading into the PC store and seeing if the water cooling setup has been done yet ( first WC case.. dont want to screw it up so i have it to someone who has had expierence with watercoling) i know that with my current M9D is contributing to the extra heat that reflects in the cards temperature. The case that i'm transfering everyhting into wil be the thermaltake Xaser WC case found here: www.thermaltake.com.au/Products/Chassis/VG400LBWS/XaserVILCS.aspx
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Jan 1, 2010 16:05:12 GMT
Hey Poul, remembering the article you sent me on system balance, im wondering, since he is using GTX285 with 3g duo core processor, could he getting a bottleneck? Would possibly a less video card or more processor help? Hey Well most people think that it is of no importance what CPU you have as long as the graphics card if powerful enough. Well you might be able to run the graphics card, but you will not get the most out of it, if your CPU is bottlenecking your GPU. Just to illustrate that I did same test on stock graphics settings as mercedesclkgtr to show that a more powerful CPU will mean more fps when running an intense application as Furmark. With no overclock my GTX 285 is running much higher fps compared to when mercedesgltgtr ran it. It just shows that you might be able to squeeze out some more fps if you have a high-end graphics card and a low- or mid-end CPU that bottlenecks your GPU. Here is a very interesting article to show people that a balanced system is what it is all about - just like Aaron mentioned. Do not go out and buy that latest ATI 5970 if you only have a mid-end CPU. You can see from the picture below that if you have bought an ATI 4890 graphics card and you even have a Core 2 Duo E8400, you are still being bottlenecked a lot and if you were gaming with that card and had an I7 920 you would see a 30 fps increase compared to the E8400. Now I think that speaks for it self. Read the article and find out how important it is with a balanced system. Poul
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Post by mercedesclkgtr on Jan 1, 2010 16:20:20 GMT
wow.. thats quite a imporovement.. i'm a little shocked to tell you the truth.. i guess a new CPU will be on the cards in a month or two.
but with those I7 CPU's. do you HAVE to run windows 7 on it? or are you able to clock it back to XP? i've seen many instances where people who have windows 7 have major dramas with shift.. even tho its suported
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Jan 1, 2010 16:21:46 GMT
Hey That case sure looks nice and I have no doubt you will be happy with that one. What water cooling system are you getting and is it only the CPU or the GPU, NB and mosfets as well you will be cooling? Very impressed with that case I must say. I am have been thinking on getting my system watercooled as well. Not because I have a temperature or noise problem - just because i wanna do the installation my self for the fun of it and see how high I can overclock my system. I am currently able to run 4.3 GHz - but one always wants more and it would be a nice project to be making - sort like a hobby. If I was to watercool it would be the Swiftech Apogee XT waterblock I would buy - and that is after reading this article. Poul www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=979
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Jan 1, 2010 16:27:32 GMT
I have had no problem with Shift at all running Windows 7 - and Windows 7 is so smoother and everything runs like a dream. I do have it installed on a Intel X-25 SSD, so you can imgaine how fast seeking times are - meaning applications pop up instantly - much much faster than an ordinary hard disk.
If I was you I would wait until Gulftown hits the stores and that means 6 cores running with hyperthreading - OMG. You need of course a X-58 motherboard and some DDR3 RAM - we are talking about changing everything in your PC.
Poul
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Post by xxxh0tridexxx on Jan 1, 2010 16:50:15 GMT
if i look at inner life of ure pc it looks like cable spaghetti try to put the cabel in front of ure GPU away, expecially the big one like the IDE-cabel, to get a better airflow for cooling. furthermore i would put the audio-card in the undermost pci-slot, to minimize heat accumulation between audio-card and GPU. maybe it helps a little with ure high-GPU-temps. edit: one more advice. free from dust ure fans with a small brush and vacuum cleaner careful.
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Post by mercedesclkgtr on Jan 2, 2010 3:07:40 GMT
yeah. i'm going to upgrade to a quad core processor ( i havent decided what model yet). untill the i7 processors come down a bit, like you said. i'd have to upgrade the motherbaord aswell. and get some DDR3 ram.. the i7 will be on the list. but it wont be happening untill later on in the year. haha yeah the cables are a complete mess, there isnt a great deal of room to move anything, if i move the wires to the side of the GPU the side fan will cause problems. by the looks of things the xaser will be up and running by tuesday. so i wont touch shift untill then and see what happens with the new setup. currently its 32*c with 52% humidity. and the GPU temp is at 65*c at idle... quite hot... edit: the watercooling is for CPU only at the moment, the GTX 285 isnt made in a water cooled edition yet ( that i know of) edit edit: after saying that i wasnt going to play shift untill tuesday.. i started to get withdrawl symptoms. so i thought i might aswell test the 100% fan speed while i was at it. after not having the courage to ramp it up to the full 100% i set it to 90% and decided to see how that went.. 3 laps at nurburgring, 4 races in unranked, and 6 races in ranked servers and no freeze. on the 7th race ( at nurburgring.. 1 lap). i was keeping a close eye on the graphics temps, hovering around the 63*c-64*c range. as it has been since changing the fan speed.. but... when i was on the long straight near the end of the track i had a quick glance at the CPU core temps.. CPU core #1 was at 75*c. and CPU core 2 was at 79*c. i knew that the max temp for the CPU was in the 70 range.. so i slowed the car right down but it froze up not long after.. didnt even occur to me that it could of been the CPU all along quite angry at myself at the moment.. i was considering going for this processor to keep me happy untill i can get the money together for the i7 setup. what do you guys think about it? processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLB8W
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Post by aarog5606 on Jan 2, 2010 12:41:51 GMT
Well the good thing is, if your getting the Xaser this week for your cpu, it will hopefully solve your problem. Im curious is to what is causing the problem though, i have close to the same system as you, with 3.3ghz duo core processor overclocked to 4ghz and my cpu temps are relatively low(50-52c at idle, 60-62 under load) with stock cooler. I keep my house at 73degrees F constantly and my computer room is probably the warmest room in the house. That article on system balancing is a damn good article, i learned quite a bit from it. Its(and Poul) the reason why i chose the HD4890 instead of the HD5850. Even with 4ghz processor, i dont think i would have gotten full use of the 5850. I run max graphic settings(4890 not oc'ed) in shift and get 100+ fps on most tracks while racing and an average of @ 80-85fps, which im extremely happy about.
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Post by Jussi on Jan 2, 2010 13:06:23 GMT
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