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Post by Grnkjr0 on Dec 3, 2009 20:11:51 GMT
Oohhh I remember seeing it with the Playboy laying on top of it. If you have a 23" CRT you must have 120 refresh rate and 1920x1080 or something in that one I think. I see Jeff is online, he might tell you what he thinks is the best solution for you.
I will post a picture of my setup once I get around to it.
Poul
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Post by aarog5606 on Dec 4, 2009 0:55:03 GMT
Pics should be big enough now. Stock GPU speed. and in case there is any information that might be usefull.
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Dec 4, 2009 16:54:13 GMT
Hey Aaron Very nice pictures and big enough for my eyes to see the numbers. About your aftermarket cooler the Zalman VF1000 - did you get it yet? I read some comments on forums where people had concern about the VRM temperatures using the Zalman VF1000, because when you remove the stock cooler and attach an aftermarket cooler, there is nothing cooling the voltage regulator modules. We can fix that very easy but lets take it from the beginning. First we need to test your card and see the temperatures, and one problem is that in the pictures, I do not see the VRM temperatures. This could either be because your card is a non reference card or because that XFX has no VRM sensors. Edited: Your card is a reference PCB design. Do you see anything called VRM in Everest or in Rivatuner something called VRM diode or similar? This is how GPU-Z would show it - with VRM called VDDC slave temperature. Here is a picture to show you what we need to be concerned about and make sure its properly cooled. The ones highlighted in yellow are the memory, and those you cover using those heatsinks you get with the aftermarket cooler. I hope you have enough of those, otherwise you need to buy some or strip a card you have laying around. The ones highlighted in blue are the voltage regulators. Edited: There are 7 voltage regulators that needs to be cooled. Those will get extremely hot if they are not cooled. You can use the heatsinks that is on the stock cooler or you could get some Enzotech MOS-C1 C1100, but they are expensive at 11$ for ten. An other option is to go buy a Zalman ZM-RHS70 VRM cooler that is very easy to install with two push-pins. I can not find it at newegg, but you might be able to locate it somewhere. The Enzotech ones: www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835708011This guy used 5 of those only and another heatsink for the upper last two. It looks like he used Swiftech Ram cooler - but I could be wrong about that though. The Zalman VRM cooler: www.zalman.co.kr/ENG/product/Product_Read.asp?Idx=335This is how it would look with a Zalman VRM cooler installed. Now I think I have shown you what you need to be concerned about. But the only thing I can not do, is do it for you If I were you I would use the stock VRM heatsink coolers to begin with. If they worked on the stock cooler, they will also work on the Zalman aftermarket cooler - it will save you time and money. I have very little trust in that thermal compound you will get with the Zalman. What do you have laying around? Questions Aaron about anything? Pictures were taken from everywhere and none are mine. Poul Edited 20 times or so. If you read these reload the thread and read again please.
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Post by aarog5606 on Dec 4, 2009 22:26:21 GMT
Hey Poul, The cooler hasnt come yet, but its only 5:00pm. Ive had some things delivered by UPS at 7:00pm so it might come yet tonight, but ill be suprised. I dont recall seeing any VRM temps anywhere, but ill check again in a few. I think i will order new voltage regulator heat sinks and i dont have any thermal compound, so i will order some thats better than what comes with the cooler. I want to wait to order anything until the new cooler comes in though, so i can see what all i will get with it. edit- this one is for 4890 - www.zalman.co.kr/ENG/product/Product_Read.asp?idx=352but it looks huge, will it fit with the VF1000? For now, ill see if i can find the voltage regulator temps. Great explainations and pics so far, thank you!
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Post by aarog5606 on Dec 4, 2009 23:31:31 GMT
I dont know what else to do, i cant seem to find VRM temps with any program. Ive read several articles with others using the same card as mine(XFX) and showing pics of GPU-Z with VDDC temps. I even looked in bios to see if i had to enable something. I only have the trial version of Everest, would the full version show it maybe?
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Dec 5, 2009 0:41:25 GMT
Hey You could ask the guys at Techpowerup why you see no VRM temperatures. They made the program and will know why. forums.techpowerup.com/forumdisplay.php?f=53Or perhaps you need to do the following in Rivatuner to see it. In the section called Power user and then System - you see some lightbolds that can be turned on/off and some yes tick marks that also can be clicked. There is one called ATIThermalsensore R77x - that is your card. Also try to see if when you enable hardware monitoring you click Setup - then you click Plugins and in there you will see something called VT1103 - click that one. Hope this works. Poul
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Dec 5, 2009 0:52:29 GMT
You must have edited your post while I was smoking a ziggy typing my comment. Yes that one you have in mind will fit the reference PCB design. Now you are sure yours is a reference right? Is it red layout? What thermal compund do you have in mind? You could get some MX-3 which is very easy to apply. Make sure you have some Articlean too. Not funny to be doing this and then finding out that you need something to clean off all this with.
Poul
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Post by aarog5606 on Dec 5, 2009 1:41:22 GMT
Hey You could ask the guys at Techpowerup why you see no VRM temperatures. They made the program and will know why. forums.techpowerup.com/forumdisplay.php?f=53Or perhaps you need to do the following in Rivatuner to see it. In the section called Power user and then System - you see some lightbolds that can be turned on/off and some yes tick marks that also can be clicked. There is one called ATIThermalsensore R77x - that is your card. Also try to see if when you enable hardware monitoring you click Setup - then you click Plugins and in there you will see something called VT1103 - click that one. Hope this works. Poul In Rivatuner, i enabled everything in the power user section(including ATIThermalsensor R77X) and went through setup and plugins(seen the VT1103) and enabled everything. Still no voltage regulator temps. Temps for everything else show up though! I just took a break from looking through Techpowerups forums. Im not sure if mine is reference PBC design, but everything is red. Ill find out for sure. Im still not sure about thermal compound. Is it an adhesive or a grease(petrolium product)?
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Dec 5, 2009 2:04:52 GMT
Aaron you may also want to read this article about cooling voltage regulator modules. Here they install a Thermalright VRM1 - and 2 depends on positioning. It is an awesome cooling solution, but perhaps rather expensive and you might not have room for it in your PC case. But read the article, then you will know why cooling VRM is so important. www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/print/thermalright-trad2-gtx-vrm.htmlYou need some thermal compound, also called thermal grease or thermal paste. It is same product named differently. When installing that Zalman you use some thermal paste, but the stuff you are getting is by no means any good at all and could make a huge difference. Now in my opinion you should not get the Diamond stuff, because that you will have a hard time removing again. further is it important to know if the stuff can by used with aluminum, because that is what your VRM heatsink is made of. But look at the chart and decide for yourself what you will buy. I use Coollaboratory liquid Pro which is liquid metal, but you really wanna know what you are doing with that stuff, because if you drop any onto any component you will fry everything. About the VRM temperatures. Just post a question thread on that link I gave you. People are usually very helpful. Otherwise post a question here at overclocknet. www.overclock.net/ati-cooling/Poul
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Post by TheGreenMonster (PC) on Dec 5, 2009 2:18:41 GMT
Aaron if you know what voltage regulator chip you have? I can get you a data sheet on it The data sheet will provide normal operating temperature.
Tell me what the manufactor and lettering on the chips are. they will only be maybe three charactors on the chip
I just read a few voltage regulator data sheet and found there temperature ranging from 82C to 225C ,,, 225C now that is real hot...
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Post by aarog5606 on Dec 5, 2009 2:39:16 GMT
Aaron you may also want to read this article about cooling voltage regulator modules. Here they install a Thermalright VRM1 - and 2 depends on positioning. It is an awesome cooling solution, but perhaps rather expensive and you might not have room for it in your PC case. But read the article, then you will know why cooling VRM is so important. www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/print/thermalright-trad2-gtx-vrm.htmlYou need some thermal compound, also called thermal grease or thermal paste. It is same product named differently. When installing that Zalman you use some thermal paste, but the stuff you are getting is by no means any good at all and could make a huge difference. Now in my opinion you should not get the Diamond stuff, because that you will have a hard time removing again. further is it important to know if the stuff can by used with aluminum, because that is what your VRM heatsink is made of. But look at the chart and decide for yourself what you will buy. I use Coollaboratory liquid Pro which is liquid metal, but you really wanna know what you are doing with that stuff, because if you drop any onto any component you will fry everything. About the VRM temperatures. Just post a question thread on that link I gave you. People are usually very helpful. Otherwise post a question here at overclocknet. www.overclock.net/ati-cooling/Poul Im really surprised that there is that many different compounds and that they make that much difference! Ill probably get the CL liquid metal, i can handle it. I posted a question at Techpowerup, hopefully ill get an answer. Sunny, ill have to pull the card to give you the info and im ready to race a little.
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Post by TheGreenMonster (PC) on Dec 5, 2009 2:46:59 GMT
Do you have the owners manual? If you have one of those chips in the 150C to 225C you're going to need a big azz heat sink,
plus ur overclocking the chip which will cause it to run even hotter than normal. lead base solder starts melting 287C by 315.5C the solder is liquid, Now unleaded base solder has a higher melting temp starting at 371C by the year 2012 all American manufactors have to covert to unleaded solder.
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