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Post by rcgldr on Nov 16, 2009 1:19:50 GMT
Looking at wrecord.com again, I'm seeing top gamepad times from Azzy and KrystaGG, and top wheel times from MrRaser and VGSpeedPro.
Perhaps too soon to tell, but I'm starting to wonder if there's any advantage due to the controller, and if it might be a combination of a type of controller working better with some cars and/or at some tracks. So far, the times are very close, so it's not the huge unfair advantage that gamepads had with Undercover.
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Nov 16, 2009 1:35:10 GMT
Hi!
I think the use of Pad + Steering Assist Low is making things really even and on some cases maybe in favor of the Pad... We will see what I think after I start to change setups and can have a better picture.
In my 5m 58.1s I recorded video... I went to the grass 2 times during that run, loosing at least 3s...
Cya!
Rogério
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Post by rcgldr on Nov 16, 2009 5:18:53 GMT
Looking forward to seeing that video. I'm still stuck at 6:15, at least on my system. I visited a friend who had some Dell mid-tower system with a G27 wheel and pedals. It's a newer and faster system than mine, but being a Dell, you never know exactly what's inside because of all the OEM special versions of stuff they put in them. I was able to run 6:10 on that system after a few tries. Even though it's been a while since I used a wheel and pedals, the main issue is the pedals, but NFS Shift doesn't require sensitive pedal inputs, so it wasn't a problem.
On the Dell, the Zonda R just seemed a bit more stable, a bit less bouncy maybe because there was a bit more grip, but this was only noticable at a couple of bouncy spots on the track where I'm not preventing the bouncing by braking. The feel wasn't that much different, but my times were about 5 seconds faster. I went back home and I'm still stuck at 6:15. Don't know if it's the system or the controller.
What I don't get is why my Willow Springs times (1:08.2, sub 1:08.5 quite often) are close to the fast players times, but my times are so far off on other tracks. My guess is that most of Willow Springs 4th and 5th gear turns are power limited, not grip limited, so since the Zonda runs out of power before it runs out of grip, the grip isn't an issue in the high speed (4th or 5th gear) turns.
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Nov 16, 2009 5:23:49 GMT
Jeff
If your friend has a G27 he must have a G25 also. Could you ask him if he thinks there is a difference when using the G27 compared to the G25? Which one is faster if any difference at all?
Poul
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Post by rcgldr on Nov 16, 2009 5:38:17 GMT
If your friend has a G27 he must have a G25 also. He had a Momo before and sold it to someone else. I also had a Momo, but it stopped working years ago. I haven't tried a G25, but the pedal force on the G27, especially the braking pedal, is much stronger and more progressive than the momo pedals. My fat feet had an issue with the pedals being close (so I played barefoot which helped), but on the G27, there are alternate mounting hole that some use to get the clutch pedal out of the way. The steering didn't have the draggy motor fighting against quick movments like the Momo, but I read it's about the same as the G25. The shifter wasn't hooked up, but I wouldn't have used it anyway. I read a few reviews, and those didn't think the G27 was worth getting if you already had a G25, but you could sell or give the G25 to someone to justify buying the G27 (if you have a wife to answer to like I do). Back to my system, none of the control inputs, brake, throttle, or steering are that sensitive in NFS Shift, except for tracks like Horse Thief Mile in the tail happy Z06 (I just use 3rd gear to avoid spinning the tires). My braking and throttle inputs are more precise and faster with the joysticks, and my steering a bit less precise, but that's not an issue for NFS Shift, assuming that the force feedback isn't helping prevent some very subtle induced understeer (steering too far inwards, reducing front grip) that I'm just not noticing from the visual feedback. If there is a controller issue, it might be related to 8 bit versus 10 bit output on the steering, somehow affecting the grip. Note that the review of patch 1.2 and an ATI beta video driver commented that a max settings, the HD4870X2 (dual gpu) had the same frame rate as the HD5870 (single gpu), but the HD4870 stuttered a bit and control response was delayed. I'm wondering what other issues there are.
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Post by Paragleiber on Nov 16, 2009 18:56:33 GMT
I haven't tried a G25, but the pedal force on the G27, especially the braking pedal, is much stronger and more progressive than the momo pedals. My fat feet had an issue with the pedals being close (so I played barefoot which helped) That's the same with the G25. I am using the clutch pedal for braking because the braking one has too much resistance force.
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Nov 16, 2009 21:48:36 GMT
I haven't tried a G25, but the pedal force on the G27, especially the braking pedal, is much stronger and more progressive than the momo pedals. My fat feet had an issue with the pedals being close (so I played barefoot which helped) That's the same with the G25. I am using the clutch pedal for braking because the braking one has too much resistance force. My friend... I think that when you do that you will loose split axis... :S At least that was what it seemed to me when I tried it... Rogério
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Post by DaMasta(PC) on Nov 16, 2009 22:32:17 GMT
I have a HD5870 and the G25 wheel. I'm trying to control most of my cars but it can be better, I'm looking forward for the new patch. I tried with my logitech rumblepad, but it cannot beat the response of the G25. One thing I can do better with the pad is braking, tapping on a button is better then trying to intermittently stepping on a pedal
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Post by rcgldr on Nov 17, 2009 0:03:27 GMT
Is it possible to limit the maximum amount of "brake input" via the profiler so you can just max out the brake pedal? Live For Speed Players do this via a setup menu for maximum braking force in game, but the same thing should be doable with the profiler.
I recall before the last update to iRacing, that players were setting minimum throttle to 10% to 20% (versus 0%) when running cars with excessive engine braking like the Spec Racer Ford.
update #1 - One of the pad players just ran a 5:57.877 at Nordschleife, so wheel isn't an advantage on that track. Times are too close to tell. Azzy has been using a high downforce Z06 for the shorter tracks, so it will take a bit before others start using it to compare at those tracks.
update #2 - VGSpeedPro responds with a 5:56.898, so score +1 for the wheel. I'm wanting to see a video of one of these runs.
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Post by rcgldr on Nov 27, 2009 8:18:54 GMT
Looking at wrecord.com again, I'm seeing top gamepad times from Azzy and KrystaGG, and top wheel times from MrRaser and VGSpeedPro. Now add WolfKing to the list of gamepad players, he ran a 5:55.86 at Nordschliefe.
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Nov 27, 2009 9:23:24 GMT
You are not updated... 5m 54s now.
Its true I didnt build any setup for that Track so far, and possibly by doing it I would improve, but still, its pretty clear that Pad using Steering Assist has advantage in Bouncy Tracks... Just see where the Pad Excels: Nord, Autopolis, Willow, etc..
Oh well... Lets see what the Patch does...
Rogério
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Post by DaMasta(PC) on Nov 27, 2009 21:15:04 GMT
You are not updated... 5m 54s now. Its true I didnt build any setup for that Track so far, and possibly by doing it I would improve, but still, its pretty clear that Pad using Steering Assist has advantage in Bouncy Tracks... Just see where the Pad Excels: Nord, Autopolis, Willow, etc.. Oh well... Lets see what the Patch does... Rogério Damn Hope the patch makes the G25 even better, it's not fair that a simple pad can beat my wheel. Rogerio my times are getting better and better!!! In januari I will probably be online, when I come back from my vacation I will give the world record a try
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Nov 27, 2009 23:27:16 GMT
Ok mate! Great to hear! The more people we have there from ISRC, the better! Rogério
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Nov 28, 2009 2:55:56 GMT
Ok mate! Great to hear! The more people we have there from ISRC, the better! Rogério Rogerio... I am not even sure why not your 5.56 can not be improved by yourself even. You had at least 4-5 secs in that video to be improved Poul
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Post by rcgldr on Nov 28, 2009 7:57:48 GMT
You are not updated... 5m 54s now. He's been busy, 5:52.577 now. I'm waiting for the patch as well, although what I suspect is a system (hardware, OS, controller, drivers) related difference in lap times may not be fixed by the patch.
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