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Post by Paragleiber on Dec 18, 2009 3:38:12 GMT
After finding these, I looked for videos from similarly fast online players, Dannyboy28, QueenCZE, VRTKiller, but didn't find any. Dannyboy is not even a top 10 player in Germany. I am racing with him in a tournament series where we use equal cars and he is pretty good but some other players are still 1 or 2 seconds faster per lap.
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Post by rcgldr on Dec 18, 2009 9:30:38 GMT
After finding these, I looked for videos from similarly fast online players, Dannyboy28, QueenCZE, VRTKiller, but didn't find any. Dannyboy is not even a top 10 player in Germany. I am racing with him in a tournament series where we use equal cars and he is pretty good but some other players are still 1 or 2 seconds faster per lap. Pardon my faulty memory. I though Dannyboy28 had run a 6:01 at Nordshcliefe, and another fast time at Brands Hatch GP, but his current leaderboard times aren't that fast. QueenCZE ran a 6:01.648 at Nordschleife, and VRTKiller at 6:02.524 which is fairly fast. VRTKiller also ran a very fast 1:58.479 at Spa. So that reduces my "very fast online players that I've seen online and without any apparent cheats" list to 3: QueenCZE, VRTKiller, and zx12rcr. Looking at the stats, all of these players do very well at some tracks, but get more average times at other tracks, which could be due to using a generic setup for all tracks rather than retuning the cars for specific tracks which can be done for hot lapping, or simply lack of interest in certain tracks (Willow Springs is not popular for example), or the unlikely chance that there's some wierd system sensitive issue that is also track sensitive. update - I see that zx12rcr ran a 5:58.742 at Nordschleife, either I just missed this or it was posted since last time I looked. Looks like his times are similar to VGSpeedPro's times. No response from youtube yet, last sign in now shows 1 day ago.
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Jan 5, 2010 18:17:45 GMT
I see a guy called Oldman using keyboard did a 2.00.223 at Spa GP - awesome Poul
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Post by rcgldr on Jan 5, 2010 21:12:17 GMT
Seems like the number of competitive players at wrecord.com is increasing. Not sure what their history is, previous NFS games, or other racing games. The stats at wrecord.com are a bit messed up as some times are not showing on the track record histories, although they do show up in recent record and in the player's record histories.
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Jan 5, 2010 23:00:12 GMT
I see a guy called Oldman using keyboard did a 2.00.223 at Spa GP - awesome Poul The Controller used has to be set manually in WR Client... He probably forgot to do it... The default is Keyboard. It also already happened to me! ;P Cya! Rogério
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Post by rcgldr on Feb 14, 2010 23:58:29 GMT
One of the players I've seen online has improved quite a bit and is now #1 at wrecord.com, rtxus. I recall him making some comment about getting a system like zx12rcr's, but now his times are faster (except zx12rcr's video at Willow Springs). Maybe he upgraded his system? Doesn't look like anyone is going to dominate wrecord.com anymore, the records at various tracks are spread out between 5 or so players now.
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Post by rcgldr on Feb 15, 2010 0:04:14 GMT
There's a potential exploit that players could use to improve lap times, but it would probably be difficult to do. A player could use the pause key during a run, and toggle between normal and casual mode. The player would be in normal mode, then wait until his braking point, pause the game, switch to casual mode for the turn, then once out of the turn, switch back normal mode for the next straight. This would result in better grip for the turns, but avoid the early braking from having braking assist set to high. I don't know if steering assist high messes things up once already in a turn.
It might also be possible for a trainer to turn off the assists while in casual mode, but I'm not aware of any. I don't know when wrecord's client picks up the game mode (casual versus normal), or if it monitors this, because again a player could toggle between casual and normal modes so that wrecord client would report normal mode.
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Post by TomasT (PC) on Feb 15, 2010 0:27:26 GMT
I think that cheat strategy sounds very unlikely, Jeff.
I have raced rtxus many many times online. We won about every other time over each other, now he has gone super pro though and are posting terrific times on wrecord. I can't keep up with him online either as I used to do. Online racing is not only about lap times off course, it's like another sport, so it's hard to judge from that because of all factors.
I did invite him here to participate in the PRBC's but he didnt seem interested in that. I don't think he's a cheater though. But he has posted times for almost every track in the game, and none of them that I know are anything but outstanding, so he might have found a new system or something. I'll have to ask him next time I see him. =)
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Post by rcgldr on Feb 15, 2010 2:42:53 GMT
I think that cheat strategy sounds very unlikely, Jeff. I didn't mean to imply rtxus was cheating, which is why I used two different posts. I was just catching up on posts I've been wanting to add here. I noticed rxtus was getting faster online, and then saw he was #1 at wrecord.com. (Although Cipriani has a few faster head to head times, Cipriani has not posted times for about 7 tracks). The potential cheat issue was another thing I was wondering about. I recall an old trainer for version 1.0 that mentioned it could turn off assists, but I didn't see a purpose for this since these could be turned off in the menu. It wasn't until later that I realized that it was probably meant for casual mode. I haven't been able to find it again since.
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Feb 15, 2010 3:55:55 GMT
You also have to think of the time it takes to master one track and all the rereuns involved. I have noticed rxtus ans he was not that fast when I played him back 1 month ago online. He could have switched system, but why are all the new faster players from Germany? What is going on over at that German forum where they hang out? Cipriani will set records I am sure for what ever track he chooses. Last time we had Willow Springs - new WR - now we do Karussell - new WR - so it seems that all it takes is deticated practice time. I have since found a super setup fpr my Zonda that suites my driving style and is fast and I can match that WR time at Karussell Cipriani did. I am currently only 0.5 secs after, but last night I did a run where I was 0.3 secs faster than him after the 1st sector, so it also about luck and not making mistakes. 0.3 secs is a lot if you compare sector times. I will post to show you in the Karussell thread.
But my guess is that someone found something, because some of those wrecord people are posting times out of this world like the 1.47.298 at Road America - awesome fast and I will never get that low. I wonder what is going on.
Poul
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Feb 15, 2010 4:24:24 GMT
Continuing my post: had to get coffee
I asked Cipriani about wheel settings. If you look at his video of Karussell and compare it to my video of the same track, his run is smooth without the car at any time sliding when accelerating or braking and the corners are taken with such a smoothness that I can never do with the Zonda. I wish he would tell us his wheel settings and in game settings, but its a few days now and no reply.
About rxtus cot wanna join ISRC, I could perhaps have something to do with that. He is in one of my videos, doing his best to take me out from start. I raced him several times and he is like that when you race him - at least when I raced him back then. I then decided to show what a unfair player he is and made a video of it at Glendale West in GT-R SpecV. He was outrun but I had a speedbug (that happened alot with that car) and he then left the lobby. He did try to take me out from start in that run too.
So my guess is that me being in here could be the reason for him not wanting to join. A lot of guests reads everything in this forum, without ever revealing themselves.
Poul
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Post by rcgldr on Feb 15, 2010 5:19:16 GMT
You also have to think of the time it takes to master one track and all the reruns involved. True, but that doesn't explain why these players can go online, using a common setup for all tracks, and despite which rating is being used, (4.0, 6.0, 10.0, 14.0, unrestricted), even if those usually fast players start at the back of a large group, they usually manage to quickly get through that pack of players where it's not possible to use the optimal racing line, so it must be the setups or their systems that giving them more grip, but that's really a post for the "fairness in NFS Shift" thread. Whatever it its, it's not just one setup for one car as these guys are fast with all the cars they use for onilne play. There's also another new fast guy from Hong Kong or China, czikentikainnan. zx12rcr's video is still the fastest time, 1:05.774, although he mentioned that this only happens once every 30 to 40 laps, and doesn't feel any different, so perhaps a grip or speed bug? That was time attack though, and I thought I recall someone here posting a 1:06.1xx in time attack mode, which is also faster than the wrecord.com time.
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Feb 15, 2010 13:07:48 GMT
Hi! You guys have to realise something... WR times, with a few exceptions, are nothing unreachable so far... And I will probably proof you that soon, if I manage to do a few hours marathon (note I am talking about hours, not days). Will have to probably wait for the weekend to do it though and I dont really want to set it up, because my free time is a mess these days. The thing about Germans, is that they have several NFS Cups running and many Lan Parties... So they have a very active community at a high level. Anyway, the guy that did that time in Road America is my mate Roy Kolbe. I helped him making the transition to NFS during the last 3 weeks. We have a long story together in SimRacing, starting with the Virtual-F1 World Teams Title we won as Teammates, back in 2000. He is probably the best Virtual Driver I have known... He has at least 4-5 World Titles in Simulation Games. Anyway, with the setup I used, he couldnt match my time... He just told me that my setup had several serious mistakes and after that he started improving... First the setup, then the wheel feeling. I doubt that anyone knows Road America better then him at the moment! And I believe that in conventional circuits, this time is probably the only "true" WR we have. Cya! Rogério
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Feb 15, 2010 15:24:30 GMT
Well Rogerio I am glad if you are telling me that the car tuning and wheel settings are the most important thing here. I have been doing some testing with the Zonda R and I have to say that it sure feels like a different car now than before. I just would like to know how to avoid sliding too much - really my biggest problem at the moment.
I know there are a lot of really fast German players and I think Norman raced them in Undercover in some forum.
Poul
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Post by rcgldr on Feb 18, 2010 6:09:09 GMT
WR times, with a few exceptions, are nothing unreachable so far ... setups No one has matched the default tune, standing start lap times made by Anak at Nordschleife: Zonda R: 5:53.420 CCX: 5:59.300 Z06: 6:05.690 Audi TT: 6:45.450 Link to Anak's thread at NFS Unlimited with links to videos: forum.nfsunlimited.net/viewtopic.php?f=140&t=17940It's not the setups making the difference here, since these were all done with untuned cars. Something with his controller, system, or the controller settings is resulting in (standing start) lap times that are faster than the wrecord times if you take off the 2 seconds or so from his times because of a flying lap. No one has matched zx12rcr's 1:05.774 lap at Willow Springs either, although that was time attack mode, which seems to be faster.
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