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Post by rcgldr on Oct 30, 2009 9:31:22 GMT
Did a few runs with EvanLongoria (I doubt it was the baseball player of the same name). He ran a 6:01 at Nordschliefe. After a few runs at Willow Springs, he set the record there at 1:07.312, while I now have the next best time at 1:08.222. There are some bumps at Willow preventing me from running flat out mostly some bumps at the end of the front straight, preventing me from taking turn 1 as fast as I should be able to. If I push it there, I'll end up bouncing repeatedly into the wall.
We ran Nordschleife earlier, and the main thing about the difference in grip is the fact that he accelerates out of the turns much faster than I can. It's not a case of me having to modulate the throttle, I'm at full throttle 1/2 through the turns, but some hidden assist is keeping the car from accelerating any faster out of the turn. We seem to be even on braking though, so corner entry speeds are about the same, but his apex and his exit speeds are much faster. My online best at 6:15.584, while Evan is in the #2 spot at 6:01.064 (I was in that race).
I'm 4% slower at Nordschleife, but only 1.35% slower at Willow Springs. The 4% doesn't seem like much, but in a few multi-player races at Nordschleife, Even got knocked off track, but caugth back up at a very rapid pace.
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Post by rcgldr on Oct 30, 2009 14:18:19 GMT
After seeing more races, either he's always on speed bug mode, or the game is really running faster on his PC, or he's modded the game. I've seem him get knocked off track, get 7 seconds behind, then catch up within 1/2 lap.
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Oct 30, 2009 16:19:23 GMT
After seeing more races, either he's always on speed bug mode, or the game is really running faster on his PC, or he's modded the game. I've seem him get knocked off track, get 7 seconds behind, then catch up within 1/2 lap. Hey Jeff Have you searched around to see trainers are out all ready? Or do you suspect hex editing? I really hate it if they all ready made trainers, but EA will not do anything about it I think. Poul
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Oct 30, 2009 16:47:31 GMT
Hi! I honestly dont care... I mean, if I enter a room full of them, I leave... But if its just one or two, then I will stay... Its great practice... Cya! Rogério
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Post by rcgldr on Oct 31, 2009 0:00:53 GMT
I'm not sure what's going on. Some guy RedArrow was running 6:35 at Nordschleife with a 14.0 GTR Spec V. On the other hand, there were these two guys TB3Chucky and TB3JDPepper that took turns blocking or ramming other cars at Nordschleife in order for one of TB3 or both to win, but obviously this didn't work with Red Arrow, who was fast enough to be able to knock them both off the track and still win. I came in second in one of these due to his good work at taking them out. Managed to get a second on my own by returning the favor of a take out near the end of a lap. Then someone else who was able to run about 6:45 did the same thing, winnning one from the lead, placing 2nd, then winning again, after which the TB3 guy quit hosting the races.
6:45 is fast for a GTR, but note that some guy in a works Audi TT was able to run 6:45 also.
The only trainers I've seen doesn't improve performance. One is supposed to give infinite nitrous, but the cheat happens version doesn't work. Maybe one of the other trainers does. This wouldn't explain the GTR or the Zonda, which don't have nitrous.
Cipriani has already mentioned a speed bug, and perhaps there's variations of this and some people get it more often or perhaps all the time.
Note that the speed bug issue is unrelated to trainers, so there's something wrong with the game itself, or it's at least senstive to something in a player's system.
I have a similar issue with the GTR Spec V, where the gears go very tall. One time and only one time, I had a 10.0 Evo IX end up with taller gears, and tires spinning if I held nitrous. It lasted 2 races, so I went offline, did a quick test and it was back to normal.
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Post by cipriani on Oct 31, 2009 2:04:48 GMT
Hey
about RedArrow, im not sure how good he is! I know this guy with another Name : Max60! maybe hes good but, not sure! He driven in Undercover a bit to fast! Poul can tell u more about this guy!
Norman
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Post by aarog5606 on Oct 31, 2009 4:36:22 GMT
Hi guys,
I raced RedArrow tonight. I didnt think he was cheating. He raced me clean. He won a few and i won a few. We raced at Nordshielfe and he beat me, but only in the straights. My GTR SpecV tops at 150mph when i dont get the speed bug thing, which i didnt have at that time.
About the speed bug thing, it happened to me 4 or 5 times tonight. I wondered if the game takes away any downforce. Which would explain the higher top speed and less grip? The acceleration is alot better, which downforce doesnt have that much effect on though. I also noticed it only happened in the longer tracks.
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Oct 31, 2009 5:21:09 GMT
I remember Max60 who used the driver skills cheat permanently when racing online in Undercover. He will not hesitate to use cheats in Shift either.
Poul
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Post by rcgldr on Oct 31, 2009 5:39:18 GMT
About the speed bug thing, it happened to me 4 or 5 times tonight. ... GTR Spec V That's not the speed bug. A lot of players have that problem with the Spec V. For me, it's more obvious, because I changed the gearing. When I get the "Spec V" bug, it makes 4th gear taller, and 5th gear very tall. Top speed is a bit higher, but the acceleration is slower because the gears are so spread out. My lap times are slower when I get this bug. 6:35 at Nordschleife with Spec V seems too fast. However I only saw him do this when those two TB3 rammers were present, so perhaps he also has a modded game or files that he can switch when playing with people like the TB3 guys. However RedArrow now has the #1 lap time for Norsschleife, 5:57.450. Maybe he did this thinking most of the other top times are also hacked, but adding one more doesn't help. I did a similar thing with Porsche Unleased, switching to a hacked savegame whenever I saw this one clan that hosted races and wrecked other players just to be annoying, same as the TB3 guys, but I was careful to never mess up the online stats when using the hacked savegame. Back to EvanLongoria (I still assume not the baseball player), he mentioned unpacked files, which some mods like "real mod" use, which makes it easier to combine the mods. Most of these make the cars slower and/or more difficult (real mod 2.7), but since they are text files, they could be easily modified to make the cars faster. Note that Toca Race Driver 3 was/is similar, essentially it has text files that can be easily editted to speed up the cars. Even though it was very easy to do, there were only a few cheaters, and once known, other players would avoid them so it wasn't much of an issue.
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Oct 31, 2009 8:37:29 GMT
Well, the fact its everything based on TXT files, will also makes it quite easy to do Anti-Cheat Tools...
Rogério
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Post by aarog5606 on Oct 31, 2009 13:28:55 GMT
That's not the speed bug. A lot of players have that problem with the Spec V. For me, it's more obvious, because I changed the gearing. When I get the "Spec V" bug, it makes 4th gear taller, and 5th gear very tall. Top speed is a bit higher, but the acceleration is slower because the gears are so spread out. My lap times are slower when I get this bug. Hi Jeff, 4th and 5th gears did seem very tall for the SpecV but my acceleration is quite abit better than normal when this bug happens. I did a low 1:18 lap at Ambush Canyon with this bug where my best time without it is high 1:19. Maybe its because of my setup why i have such good acceleration? Whats really odd is, when this bug happens, my wheel jerks hard to the right then seems to lose its spring effect. I have no center spring and the wheel is really loose. This happens right after the race starts. Between the weird wheel, faster accel. and less grip, it is a handful to drive! Next time it happens i'll record the race. I am beginning to agree with you about race results being different on different systems and controllers. I can test this though. A friend of mine(xanderdog) lives only a few blocks from me and has Shift and a Momo wheel. My new PC is quite a bit faster than his. Maybe tonight i will stop and run a few races on his system and see how close i am to my times on my PC.
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Oct 31, 2009 15:07:35 GMT
What about operating system? I use Windows 7 and I wonder if that should make any difference. I think it is a question of grip giving better/faster acceleration and allowing you to keep a higher speed cornering.
I noticed that the cockpit view and the bumper view gives better grip than the hood view or is that just me?
Poul
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Post by aarog5606 on Oct 31, 2009 15:28:48 GMT
Its not just you Poul, i am 3 to 4 tenths a second faster per lap with the in car view than i am with hood view. Only on tracks that i know really well though.
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Nov 1, 2009 18:45:00 GMT
Well after looking at the leaderboard for Nordschleife just now I think we are seeing people cheating. I do not understand how it is possible to do a 5.51 on that track. Got me thinking that maybe a trainer is out and at Nfscars there is something called a +5 trainer that gives you the following:
NUMPAD1 - UNLIMITED TIME LEVEL NUMPAD2 - UNLIMITED UFO TURBO NUMPAD3 - MAX PERFIL POINTS NUMPAD4 - UP TO MAX LEVEL (50) NUMPAD+ - SUPER SPEED NUMPAD- - SLOW MOTION NUMPAD. - NORMAL SPEED
Now I have no idea if this is what people use and if it can be used online, but something fishy is going on. Perhaps it is possible to change the grip performance which to me is the most important thing here, because the cars are quite fast and all you need is more grip.
Poul
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Post by rcgldr on Nov 1, 2009 23:58:52 GMT
Nordschleife ... 5:51. Perhaps it is possible to change the grip performance I just tested this. Along with the no blur mod, this was one of the first files modified in order to create the "real mod" which reduced the grip multiplier to 1.0. The key values are indexed by the mode, casual, normal, experienced, professional: grip level 1.45 1.3 1.3 1.2 CGHeight 0.6 0.6 0.75 0.825
I had to use larger numbers than I suspected it would take. Increasing grip multiplier for normal mode from 1.3 to 2.0 wasn't quite enough, so I increased it to 3.5 which allowed me to run a 5:50 lap on the first try. Going airborne is still an issue, and the racing line doesn't seem to fully take the multiplier into account. Plus I didn't want to test much as you mess up your normal driving method. The higher grip factor also made the car more stable, less affected in the bouncy spots on the track. The end result wasn't as fast as the Zonda in ProStreet, which has even more grip and power (250 top speed), sub 46 second laps at Willow Springs, versus sub 1:09's with Shift in normal mode (1.3 grip multiplier). Note that the CCX in Undercover was faster still, more like a swoop racer. While testing this, I also tested the center of gravity numbers, reducing it from .6 to .1 for normal mode (casual is also .6). Although not a problem at Nordshleife, it created severe bounce problems at Dakota Tri-Oval. I suspect that some car body part is snagging the seams of the polygons used to make up the actual "surface" of the track used by the physics engine. I also tested using casual mode with assists off. I'm not sure how many parameters are affected by using casual mode versus normal mode. The main thing is the grip factor increase from 1.3 to 1.45. CG is .6 for both casual and normal, so no change there. I did a few runs at Nordschleife and my best times went from 6:15 down to 6:07. The increased grip level wasn't that noticable, as the overall time is only 2.2% faster, hard to detect while driving. I wasn't sure if the car was more stable, or if after doing so many runs at Nordschleife I've just learned to deal with the bouncy parts. In looking at the early videos that I assume didn't involve any mods, perhaps a difference in grip level between players systems (PC, OS, controller) explains why some players were able to run sub 6:10's at Nordschliefe while others weren't. Then there's the speed bug. Cipriani reported this when he ran a 5:55 at Nordschleife in the Maserati MC12, which is slower than a Zonda. I'd like to find out if the improvement seemed related to grip or to power (acceleration). I and others have reported a bug with the Nissan GTR SpecV (R35) where the gearing ends up being very tall, and downforce is decreased for some players. I'm already running 0 front 1 rear downforce on all my cars, so I don't see this effect, just the gearing bug, and resulting slower lap times. As far as the online cheating goes, I don't think it will be much of a problem. In Toca Race Driver 3, a lot of the performance data is kept in easily modified text files (no checksums either), but not that many players did this, as the players recognized the cheats. The issue would more likely be subtle cheating. Is a guy running 6:07 at Nordschleife because of his PC or did he tweak the grip multiplier? The level of player skill is still quite varied. Only about 1/3rd of my races are competitive, where other players lap times are similar or better than mine. Most of the time, it's not competitive, so I quit and rejoin, until I find a competitive group. I'm waiting for patch #2 to fix the bounce issues that's supposed to be released this month. I'd like to see how the Z06 handles Nordschleife without the bounce issues. Also would like to rerun that last career invitational event, timer eliminator with the McLaren F1 at Nordschleife.
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