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Post by dimitrikhoz on May 5, 2011 22:43:48 GMT
Many of us, when we go to check Shift2 world record times at nfsstats.vvvgamer.com/ , think how it comes these guys drive 10 sec faster than you in the same car. Actually, there is a very famous exploit that works on many tracks. I just quote one of the top 10 Xbox Shift 2 racers Newport_Beach_NY : "... you cannot cut the track in career (well you can but your times won't register). What the 'top guys' do is go online in time attacking groups.
When you are online you get a 5 second penalty for a cut, right? But your lap time still counts and gets posted to autolog, unlike career. EA got lazy with this because it could have easily been prevented.
Here is the trick. There are a ton of tracks in this game where you can blast over sections of the track, take the 5 second penalty (which barely affects your car when it's already traveling full speed) and then zoom on to the finish getting ridiculous unrealistic times.
You can cut huge sections of the track out by doing this. This affects Spa, Doningtons, Silverstones, Dubais, Monza and Enna (where you can take the chicanes at 200mph without stopping), and many others. " It is bad news. But on the good side at least career mode is not affected. EA, where is a PunkBuster Program for Shift2 ?
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Post by VGSpeedPro on May 6, 2011 1:07:53 GMT
That is why only if WR Tool is made for Shift 2 I will accept its laps as valid... Every other thing is no good for me...
Rogério
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Post by TomasT (PC) on May 6, 2011 4:02:19 GMT
You shouldnt post this publically though, soon we will have so many cutters that no one will want to clean any leaderboard.
Also think of this. If you cut just once on a track, autolog will remember and not update your lap time if it's slower. So if it's an impossible lap time do do validely, and your lap time is removed from that leaderboard site, you will not be able to submit a time there and have a huge disadvantage on total score.
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Post by dimitrikhoz on May 6, 2011 16:42:33 GMT
You shouldnt post this publically though, soon we will have so many cutters that no one will want to clean any leaderboard. Also think of this. If you cut just once on a track, autolog will remember and not update your lap time if it's slower. So if it's an impossible lap time do do validely, and your lap time is removed from that leaderboard site, you will not be able to submit a time there and have a huge disadvantage on total score. Career lap times are not affected. Lap times on the speed wall are garbage now, cause they may be made during online play by setting a slightly faster lap time while cutting the track and getting 5 sec penalty. I do not think, that someone will be able to track it and remove your name in case if it is just 1 sec faster than the previous world record. Last point, I did not want to give us an instruction how to cheat, I just wanted let us know that it exists, and that many people already do it, so you know. I am also waiting for WRecord client for Shift2, it will solve all the problems at once, and I am even ready to give my $5 to the developer of this program once it is done.
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Post by dimitrikhoz on May 7, 2011 2:23:36 GMT
SMS and EA should have implemented 20 sec penalty for cutting not a 5 sec one!Also, please read this nogripracing forum discussion and you will understand an enormous amount of cheating done online: www.nogripracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252185I also hope, that our ISRC2 forum will stay clean of cheaters, cause I think we are almost the only ones who still race clean and fair.
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Post by TomasT (PC) on May 7, 2011 9:46:21 GMT
I was talking about the leaderboard site you mentioned at the top, Dimitri. I dont know how they get their stats but it is cleaned of unrealistic times manually if I understood it right. Some records can be fraud still. But I have had the wr on some tracks along with vids to show theres no cutting. Only one on top of my head that is impossible to beat there is Monza, I dont know why they accept it.
If you expect any leaderboard record-statistic feature in any game like this to be functional in the long run (nfs, dirt, F1 2010 and so on), I think you will be disappointed every time. In that regard wrecord is the only choice. The formula is efficiant money making, dead lines and so on. It's funny how every new big-company racing game is now unfinished by release, and every time it has a full official forum of surprised customers who doesnt understand how this is possible. Also, these developers are not interested in a sim-like-long-run perspective, to keep the user experience rewarding by continously working on cheat protection and cleaning leaderboards, it's not cost efficiant. EA already announced their new NFS title before the first Shift patch was released.
The platform youre talking about sounds as what racing a real sim is about. I dont think it's realistic to expect to do that in a game like this ever. That is not the business model, and thus why physics and work on fair serious competition has been put aside to flashy presentations, marketing and short developing time. And this is also why various exploits will be possible in all these games. Hopefully wrecord this time will have seperated controller types and assists used to define the point of it a little better.
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Post by dimitrikhoz on May 7, 2011 14:25:52 GMT
Thank you for your post, ThomasT. I am 100% sure that all your WR laptimes are clean, and you do not cheat. NFSstats website is pretty decent and almost free of "strange" laptimes. I know, we do not live in the perfect world, and it is not us who are setting the rules. Having WRecord client would be great, but even without it, racing and competing is fun, and I am ready to join "the battle"
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Post by Jussi on May 7, 2011 14:29:37 GMT
SMS and EA should have implemented 20 sec penalty for cutting not a 5 sec one! If they did that, they should have also made the game tell the difference between cutting and accidentally going wide. I hate it how going wide makes your lap times not valid. Jussi
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Post by skroting on May 7, 2011 18:37:18 GMT
20 seconds penalty would in any case be stupid. You accidentally brake too late and jump over a curb gaining maybe one second, but you have to snail around for 20 seconds. I don't think there's anybody who wouldn't quit the race in this situasion. The solution is simple. Just don't let the laptime count if a penalty has been given. It would be just like when you race offline. I guess they didn't do this for online because they thought a 5 second slow-go would ruin the lap no matter what.
Btw, I was passed on Donington GP by someone who was far behind me but flew across the chicane. I proceeded by smashing him out in the next corner. AND the next corner after that one, just to be sure.
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Post by dimitrikhoz on May 7, 2011 20:59:18 GMT
Btw, I was passed on Donington GP by someone who was far behind me but flew across the chicane. I proceeded by smashing him out in the next corner. AND the next corner after that one, just to be sure. Skroting, I still think, 20 sec penalty would help in your case , so you would not lose your own time punishing the violator. But, I will join Jussi. I am also for the different sort of punishment for going wide 2 m from the track and going wide 10 m.
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