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Post by rtxus (PC) on Apr 12, 2011 9:54:53 GMT
Hey Folks, First, poul, its not me with the 980X , im running a Q9550 @ 4Ghz. Why i wouldnt choose a i5 2600: No hyperthreading, that means: 4cores 4threads, the i7 series gots 4cores able to run 8threads, which is pretty good if You use software which can use that 4 more threads and better for future, but im actually working a lot with Photoshop or 3DS Max, so i would have more with 8threads than somebody whos just playing...So its your own choice Rogerio The turbo Mode just set higher multiplicator in the CPU, Youll have no incidence on the RAM speed or whatever else, You can enable and disable it easily in BIOS. Marco PS: You just want to play Rogerio? take the core i5 and try to see if You can go for the GTX570...the CPU will be enough for the GPU, if You take the i7 with a 6950 the CPU is oversized.
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Post by Jussi on Apr 12, 2011 10:13:59 GMT
Dont get XFX graphic card they have bad coolin..... better get sapphire its better ATI brand.... Also, if you were to buy an ASUS made graphics card, you might as well need to buy an aftermarket cooler for it too! I've fried 2 or 3 ASUS cards, because the bearings on their cooler fans are probably cheapest ones available. I almost fried my HD 4850 too, but luckily replaced the cooler when the card started shutting frequently. Jussi
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Apr 12, 2011 10:27:23 GMT
@marco: I want it mostly for gaming but also for some other stuff, like encoding Video & Audio! Also, since Poul needs to overclock his CPU to be able to run Fraps while playing Shift 2, I am pretty sure that with the i5 I would probably need the same thing, while the i7 can probably do it without problems... And besides, having an oversized CPU is good for me, changes my reality from the last couple of years! Joking aside, like I said earlier, the Graphic Card will have half the life of the other components... I dont see the need to spend more money, since this one is pretty enough and in 12 to 18 months I will upgrade for sure. Then, the oversized CPU will have a good size! LOL @jussi... I have had many ASUS stuff, including my present Graphic Card ATI 5850, and so far only a chipset cooler on one of my motherboards went dead... Maybe I was lucky! ;P About the Turbo Mode... So whats the downside? I mean, if I put a good CPU Cooler, there should be no problem using it, right? Rogério
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Post by rtxus (PC) on Apr 12, 2011 11:37:17 GMT
If your intented to make some encoding take the i7, the 4 more threads will be used and youll have some real speed improvements compared to a i5. If you take a tower cooler with a 120mm FAN youll not have any problems with the turbo mode, the best way should be to fix VCore in BIOS to CPU ViD (You can see this value with CPUZ), so You have no risk that the Mainboard set higher VCore while using turbo. Actually i wouldnt used that feature, i would set 1 or 2 steps higher Multi in BIOS and use the ViD VCore, every i7 K Series will have no problem to run a bit higher speed with this, so youll have the "turbomode" everytime with surely lower voltage set, which means lower consumption and higher speed^^
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Apr 12, 2011 13:04:12 GMT
If your intented to make some encoding take the i7, the 4 more threads will be used and youll have some real speed improvements compared to a i5. If you take a tower cooler with a 120mm FAN youll not have any problems with the turbo mode, the best way should be to fix VCore in BIOS to CPU ViD (You can see this value with CPUZ), so You have no risk that the Mainboard set higher VCore while using turbo. Actually i wouldnt used that feature, i would set 1 or 2 steps higher Multi in BIOS and use the ViD VCore, every i7 K Series will have no problem to run a bit higher speed with this, so youll have the "turbomode" everytime with surely lower voltage set, which means lower consumption and higher speed^^ A few years ago I would probably had understand everything you just said, now I just understand the concept, but put it into practice, not really! LOLOL I will check the BIOS and will see. Rogério
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Post by rtxus (PC) on Apr 12, 2011 13:28:47 GMT
hahaha, i think i dont understand myself too when i speak (write) english...As far as the PC is in your hands, You can ask me again what You have to set in BIOS Marco
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Apr 12, 2011 13:34:58 GMT
Ok! ^^ Thanks! =)
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Post by katanaxxx on Apr 12, 2011 13:38:17 GMT
Then you are very lucky that your PSU has not failed you yet Nevertheless, everything is stable. Can simultaneously run Prime95 and even Furmark. The power supplies from Enermax are good just what. Will soon have water coolers mounted on the graphics card and the overclock properly, then the network could really be part of the border Yes 980X is in games a little bit slower than 2600k or so. But in Cinebench or other highly parallel applications, the 980X faster. Clearly because of the 6 cores and bigger level 3 cache. greetz
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Post by Grnkjr0 on Apr 12, 2011 14:53:53 GMT
Yeah sorry about that Rxtus - you own that Q9550. Rogerio. of course you would be better off with a 2600 if you are doing a lot of multi threading, but that will have no effect in games that does not support it. Not even when encoding video or stuff like that, will you see much of a difference - unless it´s X264 HD encoding you are doing, but let´s hope that in the near future, also more games will make use of multithreading. I hope you remember that if you want to do video encoding for youtube videos and stuff like that, you should just go buy a Nvidia graphics card and use Badaboom for encoding. Badaboom uses your graphics card, which is a damn lot faster than anything a CPU will be able to - no mattér what CPU and how expensive it is. With Badaboom you can make 1080p videos for youtube and it takes only a few minutes to do so. About the Turbo Boost feature: it is a damn good feature. It just means that if you are running a single threaded application (like gaming mostly still is), and only one core is active at a very high workload - (the other cores are pretty much in idle condition) - your CPU will self-overclock the one active core to 3.8 GHz and give you superior single-threaded performance. Of course it will measure whether it´s running cool enough, before it self-overclocks. It will never self-overclock and self destruct in trying to overclock It is a very good feature, for those who do not want to do any overclocking by themselves. I guess you made up your mind about what CPU to get Rogerio - good for you Edited: That Turbo Boost feature will also work when 2 cores are active, but I think it will self-overclock to 3.7 GHz then - not sure about that. Poul
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Apr 12, 2011 15:28:14 GMT
Thanks Poul for the info! =)
Rogério
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Post by xxxh0tridexxx on Apr 13, 2011 21:20:02 GMT
im thinking for an upgrade of my pc, too at the moment intel core 2 duo e6600 2,4ghz @ 3,2ghz something like this Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 - 2,83ghz - load 95 watt - 232 € Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550s - 2,83ghz - load 65 watt - 296 € Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 - 3,00ghz - load 95 watt - 292 € i dont wana spend much money. ( im locking ahead of a faster gpu ) overclocking, yes of course what do u guys think? or should i better upgrade for an other socket?
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Post by dimitrikhoz on Apr 13, 2011 21:55:43 GMT
Hotride, I do not think that there is a game that will run slow on the old socket if you have decent video card.
My setup was 4 year old Athlon X2 5000BE + 2GB Ram + new GTX 560Ti and it gave me 40 fps in Shift 2 at 1680x1050 with ALL options maxed out in the game and in NVidia Profiler.
Now, I am waiting for $110 Phenom X4 945 95W to be delivered this week, and I am sure that fps will jump up to 65-85.
Why to spend extra money if you won't see significant difference or increase in comfort? Last year I bought a Hi-End set of headphones Sennheiser HD650 for only $350, and I enjoy it 10 times more every single day, while gaming or listening to the music, than if I had spent this money on extra MHz.
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Post by xxxh0tridexxx on Apr 14, 2011 4:31:48 GMT
now i have a ati hd5770 1gb.
it looks like at the mom my cpu is bottleneck in my system.
im locking ahead of a nvidia 560ti 2gb or ati hd5870/hd6950 2gb.
i need a fast cpu for a fast gpu?
im playing at a res 1920x1080 ( TV )
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Post by rcgldr on Apr 14, 2011 6:26:52 GMT
Let´s hope that in the near future, also more games will make use of multithreading. Many games have used multi-threading going back more than 10 years. This includes the early NFS racing games. Those games have multi-threading, but they weren't expecting to run on multi-core cpu's, so they left in some timing windows that will crash the game on a multi-core cpu unless you change the affinity for those games to use just one cpu. Actually some of the older games did a better job of isolating the physics engine from the rest of the game, with the physics thread unaffected by slowness in the graphics thread. In the newer games like Shift 1 or Shift 2, it seems that the entire game pauses for brief moments when it gets behind graphically, affecting the lap times. The older games didn't have this issue.
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Post by dimitrikhoz on Apr 14, 2011 15:33:56 GMT
now i have a ati hd5770 1gb. it looks like at the mom my cpu is bottleneck in my system. im locking ahead of a nvidia 560ti 2gb or ati hd5870/hd6950 2gb. i need a fast cpu for a fast gpu? im playing at a res 1920x1080 ( TV ) Hotride, you already have pretty decent video card but an old Mobo with old CPU. Let me give you some info how much, on average, your game fps will increase after you make upgrades: a)CPU upgrades: * Core 2 Quad q8300 + 30-35% and it will cost you $150 * Core 2 Quad q9500 + 40-55% price $250 * Core i3 2100 + 70% price $125+$90forMoBo=$215 * Core i5 2300 + 130% price $190+$90forMoBo=$280 b) Videocard upgrades: *GTX 560Ti stock + 30% price $250 *GTX 560Ti OClocked + 45% *HD 5870 stock +35% price $275 *HD 6950 stock +40% price $300 using 1920*1200 with full AA and AnisFil and DX11 tesselation gimmick you may have up to +100% in fps on overclocked 560Ti or 6950, but it will still cost you more than CPU upgrade CONCLUSIONS: for $150 you can get + 35% with new Quad q8300 for $215 you can get + 70% with new Core i3 2100+Motherboard for $280 you can get + 130% with new Core i5 2300+Mobo There is no need for the video card upgrade in your case. It will be just waste of money. Me, I had a NVidia 9800GT before, so moving to 560Ti trippled my game fps. But moving to 560Ti from your hd5770 won't even double it. Last question, how many fps do you get in Shift2, cause if it is already 40 or more you may settle with Core i3 and $100 in savings . P.S.: www.ixbt.com/video3/i0311-video.shtml(look for your resolution and games you play) www.ixbt.com/cpu/cpu-2009-itogi.shtml(look for the graphs with Game Performance in the end of the article) www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/20
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