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Post by rcgldr on Apr 5, 2011 17:57:03 GMT
Tried a few drift events, but finding it too difficult even do the early events. The first London track (2 laps) I was barely able to get 3rd place there, and I'd need a higher score per lap in the later events.
It seems that the 240SX you're given can't get much angle without either bogging down or spinning out. One issue is a snap correction where the car suddenly jerks out of a drift, which may be related to the yaw stability issue I'm seeing in the game. Another issue is that the rear tires apparently get too hot over time and lose all grip, making the car useless by the 3rd lap on the London track. Eventually it gets to the point that the tires just spin and the car barely moves.
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Post by Bandit (PC/PS3/4) on Apr 5, 2011 18:13:13 GMT
I haven't won any drift event.. I don't know what's wrong with it but i just spin out or whatever. It has nothing to do with throttle control and countersteer as far as i'm concerned.
Bottom line: it sucks.
Bandit
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Post by dimitrikhoz on Apr 6, 2011 3:03:55 GMT
Yes Guys, drift suxx, at least with the wheel. (I still can not find optimal profiler settings for drift). Has someone tried it with the keyboard? Personally, I am waiting for the DLC with the DRAG Racing Mode. It will be more fun for sure, unless they screw the upgrades like in the ProStreet.
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Post by Jussi on Apr 6, 2011 5:23:58 GMT
Wonder what the Australian Dave thinks about the drift mode, he's a big fan of drifting. I was thinking that we should ask him to post the drift events for us. Jussi
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Post by rcgldr on Apr 6, 2011 6:33:29 GMT
When I'm done with the other career events, I'll take a look at drifting again. Even if I don't get good at it, by then there will be trainers to at least let me complete career.
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Post by skroting on Apr 6, 2011 6:55:14 GMT
I'm thinking the same thing. I will be done with EVERYTHING before I try again with the drifting. I might also try what worked a little better for me in NFS:Underground 1, and that was to use pedals for throttle and brake, and keyboard for steering.
I'm also sure that when the time comes, there will be plentiful of tips around the web on how to make drifting a bit easier.
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Apr 6, 2011 8:59:18 GMT
Hi!
I dont intend to do the Drift Events, ever...
Rogério
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Post by dimitrikhoz on Apr 6, 2011 16:03:07 GMT
Guys, some more positive attitude towards drift on this forum would be welcomed.
I know, traditional time attack is more attractive, and drift events are still not so popular in North America and Europe.
We may just need to recruit a couple of pro drift players from Shift2 Online gaming, and it will work.
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Post by Bandit (PC/PS3/4) on Apr 6, 2011 16:27:07 GMT
Yeah right. Recruit a bunch of keyboard drifters and all our handling issues are over ...
Drifting sucks and i'll say it once, and one time only: Electronic Arts needs to fix this.
Bandit
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Post by TheGreenMonster (PC) on Apr 6, 2011 16:33:40 GMT
There's not going to be any drifting for me in this game trying many many time the car just spin out and never even moved, I tried flatting the tires for some kind of grip but that didn't work either, I tried for a plain stocks car with flat tires and nothing but spinning rubber I was really looking forward to a ProStreet style drifting event but thats not going happen in this game unless they have a patch to fix it...
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Post by katanaxxx on Apr 6, 2011 19:46:51 GMT
Now I have already tried quite a few cars, and various setups. But i must say, that drifting going really better in Shift 1, thats my oppinion. But when I look at the world records, there are lot people who have the mode can. The north loop to drift I find cool, I'm far too good about it, I think.
greetz Andi
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Post by revit on Apr 7, 2011 6:54:12 GMT
Wonder what the Australian Dave thinks about the drift mode, he's a big fan of drifting. I was thinking that we should ask him to post the drift events for us. Jussi I can tell ya now bro, it's bloody hard!!!!..... and kinda not right and needs patching! This is the closest to real drifting EA have managed to do yet, too real in fact, they expect us to use the full rotation of the steering wheel to go lock to lock, which anyone with a G25/7 setup right knows is hard to do, without turning your centering spring off and having it feel like shitte, making me believe also that they tested this game with NO profiler installed at all. Now, i have managed to get to the pro league with a heap of tuning, config tweaking and a total mod to my driving style.... BUT i also stripped my G25 down and fixed the "optical encoder" problem this afternoon, so now i'm back to the drawing board, sorta, give me a few more days and i might have it sorted, the main prob now is getting a smooth transition with out looping, i think this is a diff lock prob, but not sure until i fiddle some more... I will post a full run down and setup when i'm happy with both Drift and Grip performance
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Post by revit on Apr 8, 2011 23:07:33 GMT
Ok, it's so frustratingly real like, it's bloody hard as... But the start tune for every car is CENTER EVERYTHING, except have the bump stops on low, front and rear. Do Not upgrade drift cars to Works, the only reason being ya need to put street tyres on them and can't with Works cars, although i am having fun trying to tame a Works R34 powered S15 with full racing slicks in drift, lol. Steering wheel, if using a g25, have the degrees of rotation at around 222 and force feedback tuned down to 70% on all sliders, centering spring 100/150% depending on how you like it, also untick the box that lets the game control the profiler.. Now this applies mainly to drifting, But i have found my other racing improving with every change As far as driving a drift car, all i can say is watch the real guys do it on you tube, also www.justin.tv/driftstream/videos?page=2 has The 1st round of Formula Drift at Long Beach live today sometime. The game is modeled off real life, so drifting isn't all about power slides, the finesse of the handbrake and power off drifting comes to the party fully! There is a heap of fine tuning to do but this is a good start and will get you drifting until a patch comes..... The game has a bug as usual, you tune 1 car the same tune applies to ALL cars in your garage that have been tuned before...
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Post by rcgldr on Apr 9, 2011 3:08:06 GMT
Based on posts I read at various forums, using keyboard or gamepad for drift is much easier than using a wheel or in my case right joystick to steer, left joystick for throttle + brake (same as "classic" radio control transmitters for cars, and the USA convention for rc aircraft).
I restored my drift save file and did some more runs using the D class 160 (do ratings get any lower than this?) 240SX you're given at the start of the drift events.
In order to get the 240SX to sustain a drift, the drift angle has to be very small, less than 20 degrees, and that only 1/3rd or less throttle can be used, and most of the time it needs to be in 4th or 5th gear, maybe 3rd for hairpins. At Rustle Creek, with the 240SX flat out in 5th gear, about 90 mph, it's scoring drift points, but the drift angle is so small (less than 5 degrees) it doesn't look any different than the cars in normal race mode.
The throttle sensitivity is unrealistically exaggerated, since in real life, once the rear tires are spinning, making them spin faster doesn't alter the grip much, but in Shift 2, it reduces grip. Also physics defying is the fact that spinning them faster seems to generate more heat. If real life, if tires (or any object) is producing less grip, it's because there's less friction, and less friction means less energy converted to heat (old work done = energy = force times distance, and if force is less, heat energy is less).
The London track, especially 3 laps, is where the heat issue becomes a factor. If you're not using minimal throttle, the rear tires apparently overheat and lose a lot of grip, eventually reaching a point where they spin but the car barely moves.
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Post by revit on Apr 9, 2011 4:57:03 GMT
Based on posts I read at various forums, using keyboard or gamepad for drift is much easier than using a wheel or in my case right joystick to steer, left joystick for throttle + brake (same as "classic" radio control transmitters for cars, and the USA convention for rc aircraft). I restored my drift save file and did some more runs using the D class 160 (do ratings get any lower than this?) 240SX you're given at the start of the drift events. In order to get the 240SX to sustain a drift, the drift angle has to be very small, less than 20 degrees, and that only 1/3rd or less throttle can be used, and most of the time it needs to be in 4th or 5th gear, maybe 3rd for hairpins. At Rustle Creek, with the 240SX flat out in 5th gear, about 90 mph, it's scoring drift points, but the drift angle is so small (less than 5 degrees) it doesn't look any different than the cars in normal race mode. The throttle sensitivity is unrealistically exaggerated, since in real life, once the rear tires are spinning, making them spin faster doesn't alter the grip much, but in Shift 2, it reduces grip. Also physics defying is the fact that spinning them faster seems to generate more heat. If real life, if tires (or any object) is producing less grip, it's because there's less friction, and less friction means less energy converted to heat (old work done = energy = force times distance, and if force is less, heat energy is less). The London track, especially 3 laps, is where the heat issue becomes a factor. If you're not using minimal throttle, the rear tires apparently overheat and lose a lot of grip, eventually reaching a point where they spin but the car barely moves. And i thought i was tripping, lol... I've been testing on the long Irwindale track using 5 laps and after 3 laps my S15 is out of control, no rear grip what so ever and spins way too easy.. It could be that it is on slicks,, i've read every where to use the 1st option is best and will be setting up a fresh S14 tonight to try some stuff.. I will agree also that the throttle is out of control, something i can't seem to dial out...
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