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Post by VGSpeedPro on Apr 4, 2011 13:58:16 GMT
Hi guys! Yesterday I thought I have found some good wheel settings, because I was doing B Classes and beating all times, sometimes even the actual WR, easy... Then I got to the Works LP640 or the Works Apollo and I was in shock! :S Dont get me wrong, I managed some good times, even if not great for what I had in my Speed Wall, with a couple exceptions, but driving them was a nightmare! :S Do you guys felt this way? Its the default setups that suck big time? Its maybe my wheel settings that might be sucking? I try to add a setup to LP640 with Full Wings, like in Shit 1, but still was not great... I saw the Steering Lock was now considerably lower then in Shift 1, maybe that is the problem? The Apollo, at least with all assists off, is a bit tail happy? :S Didnt felt it that great to be honest... Maybe we have to built it a setup? Oh well... Just to hear your thoughts... Btw... I think Novice with all Assists Off may be the best... At least seems more consistent and little quicker then Normal Handling. But then again, maybe its all in my head...
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Post by rtxus (PC) on Apr 4, 2011 14:11:10 GMT
Hey Rogerio i guess your controller setup is weak. Actually its important to tune the cars, ive got a relative big improvement with the LP640 works but without the cars are driveable too. I guess that they a bit f*gged up with steering in that game but since i use the G25 preset and my old controller settings i can drive all cars easily (even overpowered BMW or Supra with 1200+ bhp) I use normal handling online, novice is like to drive a train, its too easy and boring (and im not sure thats faster at least, cause the car has too much grip, which is reducing speed in corners), all assists off. The problem is that when you steer, you have around 50% of normal steering and over that limit the car turns in too sharply, like i turn the wheel completly...I resolved this issue with 5% steering sensibility, 1% deadzone and low to verylow Steeringlock in tuning of my cars...with that its like shift 1 and my times are good for the begin i think...But i use Xbox Pad...so i dunno if it can help with a wheel... Marco
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Apr 4, 2011 15:43:25 GMT
Thanks Marco, will give it a try later! With Class B cars I was doing good times I think... All my times with LP560 are done using my present wheel settings and default setup, and they are not even perfect runs... Just with the Top Cars I am having problems! :S Rogério
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Post by aarog5606 on Apr 4, 2011 15:50:14 GMT
I agree with Marco, setups are necessary for the works cars i have. The Apollo was absolutely a handfull until i made setup changes, now its the most fun to drive of the cars in my inventory. The LP640 is still a handfull for me, but its drivable. I havent upgraded Z06 yet. I tried your wheel settings Rogerio and didnt like it, 150 degrees of rotation was too touchy for me so i went back to 200. I did however, leave sensativity settings at 75%, it seems accel and brake react better.
Something is very odd, i spent several hours yesterday testing all the handling modes(all assists off except ABS) with Z06(Class B), Apollo(maxed) and LP640(maxed) on 3 different tracks that i know very well, Ambush, Silverstone(short) and Dakota GP. I could not tell any difference in grip at all! Novice, normal and elite felt exact same.... Although my best times are using elite mode. I did use custom tuning on all 3 cars, but same tuning on all 3 tracks. I am wondering if i had default tuning on the 3 cars if i would have been able to tell a difference. Out of curiosity, i will test handling modes again when i do current PBRC race.
Poul, will you post your wheel settings please? Your settings usually work very good for me.
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Post by rcgldr on Apr 4, 2011 16:05:04 GMT
In my comparson mini-test I was using default setups on all cars. The Apollo is a bit tail happy, but at high speeds, it's mostly a steering sensitivity issue and not a throttle issue. The main issue is getting the car to drift at the limits while staying off the curbing on narrow fast tracks like Nordschliefe.
I didn't buy Hot Pursuit 2010, so I may not get the LP640, unless there's a version that unlocks during career mode.
In the case of the LP640 in Shift 1, and to reduce high speed oversteer for cars in general, I use more rear downforce than front downforce (Formula 1 cars use the same trick to prevent snap oversteer in high speed, high g turns). For the LP640 in Shift 1, I use 22 front, 24 rear. The oversteer wasn't a control issue, but excessive oversteer in Shift 1 slows down a car, so the purpose of the setup was to improve lap times as opposed to making the car easier to control.
I'm still in the early stages of career mode, so it's going to be a while before I start messing with setups.
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Apr 4, 2011 17:39:04 GMT
Thanks guys! Jeff, I use the same aero trick! ^^ Rogério
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Post by skroting on Apr 4, 2011 20:13:08 GMT
Could it be that the value shown for downforce, is not the actual downforce, but relative to the lowest available setting? I've been thinking that most cars already have more downforce at the rear, so setting both rear and front downforce to the same value, would actually mean that the downforce is still higher in the rear...
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Apr 4, 2011 21:09:28 GMT
I dont know about that, but I suspect they could be simulating downforce according to speed... More speed, more downforce as it should be... Not certain though...
Rogério
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Post by rcgldr on Apr 4, 2011 23:13:45 GMT
Could it be that the value shown for downforce, is not the actual downforce, but relative to the lowest available setting? I think this is true in the case of the Shift 1 Zonda R, where most players run it with zero downforce. I run 0 front, 1 rear, since it doesn't seem to affect top speed (I set gearing so top speed is 220 mph) and it may help reduce high speed oversteer, although I doubt you could tell the difference from actual game play. I don't recall using zero downforce on any other Shift 1 car, since all the ones I use can reach redline at top speed with maximum downforce (although it may take a bit longer to get there). It's also possible that the downforce setting's actual meaning changes from car to car, and from game to game. One test I can think of is to set front downforce to zero, rear downfore to max, then take a high speed jump and see if the car pitches up from the downforce imbalance. I haven't tried this with Shift 1 or 2 though.
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Post by paul on Apr 6, 2011 11:26:30 GMT
Hello, did anyone tried the works conversion of Reventón ? I think this car could be equal to works LP640, the problem is, I cannot have a LP640, so I can't say how much those cars are similiar. Yesterday I tried a works Reventón, at Willow Springs GP, and this car is just incredible - he has very friendly handling, I used to it after first few meters after start, all laps with flying start was constant at 1.07 min, this cars has big advantage in absolute cornering speed while driving the very technical S-curve section. By the way, the Radical SR3 could be awesome on tight, short tracks, but I didn't tested him long enough, yet. Do you guys have some experience with tis car ? Paul
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Post by rcgldr on Apr 6, 2011 14:04:57 GMT
I only did one test session at Willow Springs, several cars. My best lap was in the Apollo, 1:06.845. At Road America about 1:50.3. I ran Road America again, this time with autoclutch off, and also having more experience, my best laps are sub 1:50's now, with a best of 1:49.018, with a default setup. The top players are about 3% faster than me, so they would be around 1:46.
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Apr 6, 2011 16:43:24 GMT
Paul, today I was driving that Lambo and I was thinking exactly the same you are writing there... I have the Works LP640 but with Default Setup it understeers like hell... I have to check it... Unfortunately I burned all my money doing experiments, so I dont have money atm... :S I am really considering to "get help" to have more money... I mean, the cars I want to try require millions! :S Jeff, with LP640, TomasT did already 1m 43s in Road America. Video here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBZCL3LIdhI ! Cya! Rogério
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Post by rtxus (PC) on Apr 6, 2011 17:16:37 GMT
actually, cheatengine 5.5 can help you Its not a real deal, cause its just modifying nummerar values, so i think You can use it...i spend myself 10Mio, easy money, because it seems really IMPOSSIBLE to get enough money with career...S1 had 50 levels, and each level give money...S2 only 20 rcgldrwith the LP640 normal / no assist / clutch manual i did easily a 1:46...but i used my tuning from Shift 1 (nearly the same, should be in inner circle here) but its not really good to me and i have big problems with steering (pad) @rogerio i think with experience, beginner and no assist so as a better tuning its not impossible to do under 1:40 on that track, my 1:46 wasnt really a good lap...really not Marco
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Post by rcgldr on Apr 6, 2011 21:40:55 GMT
actually, cheatengine 5.5 can help you. Its not a real deal, cause its just modifying nummerical values There's also artmoney, generic game trainer, and tsearch. Cheat engine and tsearch are probably overkill, because they include other trainer like features. I don't own Hot Pursuit 2010, and it the LP640 get's unlocked in career mode, I'm not there yet. I'm only a bit past 25%, and at level 15, ready to do my first Class B event.
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Apr 6, 2011 22:04:57 GMT
Hi guys! Thanks! Jeff and Marco, if I use a trainer to get money I will not have problems with Autolog or such? And if not what do you recomend me? I just want to have more money because its very hard for me to re-race nowdays! :S Jeff, the LP640 comes with Limited Edition... Still, you should try Reventon Works... I will when I have more money! LOL Rogério
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