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Post by rcgldr on Apr 3, 2011 8:20:44 GMT
Starting a new thread for this. Wondering if there is any difference between the modes, novice, normal, ... elite, other than toggling the assists, and also auto clutch setting.
For now might as well use novice mode and autoclutch off.
I turned off auto clutch, but don't get the fast launches that occured in Shift 1. Shift times may be reduced, and unless it's an issue for a particular car, might as well leave it off. For Shift 1, there were some cars (works Camaro) where you had to lift throttle on shifts to avoid the clutch slipping if you did a clutchless shift.
I retested at Road America, my lap time improve from a 1:50.35 to a 1:50.05, but that could have been due to the auto clutch. I tested the Bugatti at Dakota Tri oval (no shifting), and my best lap was a 29.443 versus a 29.450, not significant.
I'm using a joystick to steer, so I don't get any feedback other than what I see the car doing, so I don't know if the modes have any effect on the feel.
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Post by Dreamgate (PC) on Apr 3, 2011 10:43:28 GMT
i m not sure what people use, i have all assist off and race d most of the time with Elite handling. My experience is that u have lower grip and its easier to over steer and not been able to recover.
André
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Post by aarog5606 on Apr 3, 2011 12:21:57 GMT
I didnt notice any difference between Normal and Elite handling modes, but i only tried with the C Class cars i had at the time. Now i have higher rated cars i will test this again, this could be car dependent also?
I also didnt see a difference with autoclutch on or off, but again only tested this with lower rated cars.
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Post by dimitrikhoz on Apr 3, 2011 14:33:32 GMT
Auto-clutch off is defenitely faster. Driving with the clutch is like having micro nitro boost during up- and down-shifting.
Laptimes improvments will depend on: clutch upgrades, number of usable gears in the car, and necessity to switch gears on the track.
Improvements over 1 sec a lap on some tracks, at least with my G25.
And one more funny thing: if you forget to press clutch pedal during shifting it will be 100% as fast a with auto-clutch.
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Post by aarog5606 on Apr 6, 2011 2:29:41 GMT
Using Lotus Elise 111R(499 rating) for PBRC race, i decided to try Novice mode and it has noticeably slightly more grip than Elite mode. The car seems to react a little quicker also, but im not 100% sure.
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Post by dimitrikhoz on Apr 6, 2011 3:11:24 GMT
As I see, there is a huge difference in grip and car stability between the Modes, but it does not always lead to the significant lap time improvements.
I think, I will try Novice Mode tomorrow in career events I already finished using Pro Mode, and let's see whether I can beat my old lap times.
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Post by VGSpeedPro on Apr 6, 2011 8:56:58 GMT
Hi guys!
I tried Novice, Normal & Elite with the Apollo... I was more or less as fast with Novice and Elite... But was slower with Normal... LOL :S
Rogério
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Post by rtxus (PC) on Apr 6, 2011 9:05:18 GMT
Normal as slowest...holy? what lap times will i do if its true...i made all good Laps who are in Autolog records...with handling...normal...
You tried other cars? Or its just an Apollo issue?
Marco
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Post by rcgldr on Apr 6, 2011 9:38:41 GMT
I assume that Shift 2 models tires temperatures, and this may be affecting the testing of the modes. If I recall correctly, doing time attacks starts of with the tires up to temperature, at least in Shift 1, but I don't know if time attack in Shift 1 or Shift 2 will keep the tires at optimum temperature or allows them to overheat. Lap times were a bit better in time attack mode with Shift 1.
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Post by skroting on Apr 6, 2011 11:31:27 GMT
I tested this a bit using Time Attack on Spa. I would go through Eau Rouge as fast and hard as possible and then restart over and over again and again. Then I'd switch between Normal and Elite, and also between asssits and no assists. After lots of testing, I honestly didn't find any significant difference between the modes. Since I always restarted after the first corner, I shouldn't be affected by any difference in tire temperatures.
If I did the same test in Grid, the difference between assists off and on would be having to slow down before Eau Rouge, or taking it flat out while drinking a beer. I'm glad SMS has provided a level playing field in such regards, but I wish it was a bit more difficult. In Shift 1 there were noticable differences in Normal, Experienced and Pro, and in Shift 2 I feel we're all somewhere close to what Experienced was in S1. They should have pushed the bar a little higher, so we'd all be at Pro.
I really enjoyed driving on the Pro mode in S1. Even with a mid-range car, you really needed a gentle touch with your right foot to maintain control through corners, but in S2 it seems the worst that can happen if you get on the throttle too soon, is that you'll understeer a bit. With a mid-range car, that is.
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Post by TheGreenMonster (PC) on Apr 6, 2011 12:43:28 GMT
auto clutch off is differently faster for me anyways
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Post by rcgldr on Apr 6, 2011 13:56:07 GMT
Maybe the adverse effect of the assists depends on the car and track. With a works Apollo, my best laps are just under 1:50 at Road America with all assists off. If novice or elite mode is having an effect, it's less than my normal lap to lap variation in times. My best so far was novice mode, all assists and auto clutch off, a 1:49.018.
If I turn on traction and stability control, my lap times are about 4 seconds slower. The Apollo seems happiest when it's sliding, and the assists are reducing a lot of that.
So far most of the cars I've tried in S2 don't scrubb off as much speed during lift throttle oversteer, so I have to time my braking points better than I did in S1. With S1, I didn't need to rely on the brake as much because I could enter turns faster, ease off the throtle and and let the car oversteer to slow the car down for the apex. That still works in S2, but it doesn't slow cars down as much as it did in S1, so as mentioned, the braking is a bit more imporant.
The racing line doesn't seem to take the Apollo's great braking into account, and goes red well before I have to use the brakes. This was true in S1 also with the faster cars, but S2 seems to turn the line red sooner than S1 does for similar circumstance. I also get the sense that the line in S2 turns red relatively sooner on some turns than other, and I haven't quite figured it out.
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Post by Dreamgate (PC) on Apr 6, 2011 14:39:20 GMT
Thanks for telling me that auto clutch off is faster Did two race on career and i have no problem beating AI now even though i dont now the tracks André
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Post by TheGreenMonster (PC) on Apr 6, 2011 15:51:06 GMT
Those damn Ali cars are dirty races they are worse than online racers are, I try to compete with Tomas time on Miami Bayfront Park Loop I bet I restart the race 20 times it was pile up in the first turn everytime, by the time I finish the race I didn't to care to try a second chance...Tomas beat me by 20 second and you can have it dude... Thanks for telling me that auto clutch off is faster Did two race on career and i have no problem beating AI now even though i dont now the tracks André
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Post by TomasT (PC) on Apr 6, 2011 16:04:06 GMT
No kidding. I had a couple restarts at that track too. They are totally retarded at some tracks. It doesnt help that AI seem to have 4 times heavier cars too so no matter the collision you're almost bound to be messed up. Those damn Ali cars are dirty races they are worse than online racers are, I try to compete with Tomas time on Miami Bayfront Park Loop I bet I restart the race 20 times it was pile up in the first turn everytime, by the time I finish the race I didn't to care to try a second chance...Tomas beat me by 20 second and you can have it dude... [/quote]
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